Browser Battle: Nine Browsers of Today and Tomorrow Compared

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I hate IE...is too slowly.I use Mozzila...working better than IE. funny quotes

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franks

The best browser in speed has been Opera so far. Firefox is good for website developers - the firebug is awesome, to say the least. Google Chrome has some cool features, but the size iof install is the largest, it also is kind of slow. Internet Explorer has shown some improvements in a new IE 9 version. Very fast and secure browser.

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yamahog

I havent found any browser that I really like yet, firefox crashes almost as much as IE7, chrome ? meybe some day. I just whant a simple fast browser that works on all web sites and has easy to organise favorites, kind of like what Netscape used to be, and I dont need fricken tabs thats what I use the links bar for doh!

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bigboehmboy

"The downside to Chrome's sandboxing approach is that it depends on Windows for its security, making it susceptible to vulnerabilities in the OS."

 Not any more than any other browser is susceptible to these vulnerabilities...

"In addition, legacy file systems, like FAT32, don't support security descriptors, preventing some USB keys and other devices from being protected by the sandbox." 

Chrome's "sandboxing" refers to the fact that separate tabs are in separate processes which means that a malicious script in one tab can't access the RAM segment owned by procecess for other tabs.  It has nothing to do with NTFS file permissions. 

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mojosico

man i guess its ok to like firefox i used to be a big fan till vista wouldnt play nice with it . i recently downloaded firefox 3 to see how long it would take me to find all the extensions to equal what comes standard in opera .     4 FRICKIN HOURS !!!! wtf!!!!! and it still crashes i thought ff 3 was supposed to be soo much better . and chrome and safari , one tirck ponies . was not happy with ie 8 either . i guess different strokes for different folks . i really think people should give opera a chance since they are the real inavators . first to have most all of the important features that the other browsers copy off of . i resepct mozilla sticking it to microsoft but firefox users that wont try anthing else kinda sound like mac users oh dont dought steve jobs and yes we drank the kool-aid . lol !! ff 3 users say all the simalar things about mozilla oh everything is happy and shiny over here . man step outa the box try something new dont be a zombie .

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bob818

It would be nice to see Google and Firefox get together and produce 1 super-browser. (Firechrome?) Use the Firefox add-ins and the speed of Chrome...I think Microsoft would start to sweat, if they are not already.  IE is just to slow and bulky. 

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Naw-yi

about:config is the best reason to use firefox.  then the add-ons to personalize the browser to individual preferences.

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Greate test, i am going to use the safari now i guess.

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leifab

Chrome 2.0 should have been included for completeness of the article. It passes the acid3 test with a 99.5 (see picture for what i mean about that)

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/193/acid3chrome2.png

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smashingpumpin

If only Firefox would've fix "Bookmarks" folders to arrange itself alphabetically without using "Organize Bookmarks" I'd give it a 9/10. (Vista 32, Firefox 3.0.7). On previous versions, I could just right click under Bookmarks and click "sort by name/folder" and it does it automatically. I find this quite a hassle as I have tons of saved links (mostly social sites, Youtube vids and, obcourse, gulp, streaming porn and the like lol). Maybe its just my configuration and maybe there's an add-on out there that i'm too lazy to find out about. Hmm I wonder if upcoming 3.1's private browsing, err... "porn mode" is just a dumb-downed built in CCleaner, or just another name for "Clear Private data" hehehe.

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master1121

Chrome does not treat each tab seaprately. There were many times where I opened over 20+ tabs and if one of the java or media format get screwed up all of the tabs get screwed up. Do not know if a updated fix it, been 3 months since I used chrome.

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somecomputernerd

first off. Chrome 1.0 does NOT treat each tab seperately. However, Chrome 2.0 does. But we get back to memory. At about 4 tabs lower PCs start screaming. Each tab uses an average of 5000 k. Each tab with javascript, 20000 k. While I love how it will only lose one website, it is a memory hog.

Second. Memory. Chrome is great if you have a higher end PC. Chrome 1.0 hits the acid test with a 79, Chrome 2.0 hits 100, and Chrome Portable hits 100. But Firefox uses less memory. Hits acid with a 71. Firefox total uses about 20000 k memory. Chrome is obviously on the same direction as Internet Explorer.  While Chrome 2.0 is currently available by the beta channel, (google Chrome 2.0 if you want to upgrade) portable can be found without changing channels. 

Third. Chrome does not have a spellcheck implemented or a favorates icon. You can only get to favorates if you start a new tab or type it in. What a pain in the ass.

Fourth. While Chrome is stable, there is a annoying tab bug with 2.0... But while I have had it for about a day, I only know of that one so far. Javascript seems to mess with Chrome's code the most.

Fifth. Cool UI. But a browser is not on how it looks, how it performs.

Overall:

Firefox would be best for users who use 6 or 7 tabs and have a lower end PC. Firefox still loads pretty fast. But Chrome is really for users who are gonna operate two tabs at once. lol really, only then will you use less memory than Firefox. Firefox is more open to personality than Chrome IMO. For you morons complaining about the Awesome Bar, how often do you look at options? Wow. Safari has no chance against Firefox or Chrome. Considering about 10% of PC users use MAC, Linex, or whatever. Safari is a HUGE joke for Windows users. Internet Explorer is honestly a joke too. Opera is catching up in the wars. 

IMO, the list of browsers are as follows.

1. Firefox

2. Chrome

3. Opera

4. Safari

5. Internet Explorer (omg Bill Gates give up and rewrite the damn thing)

Firefox scores 1 for memory conservation, speed, options, features, and stabibility. 

 

 

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siimonscuttle

Once they add 1-click RSS support to Chrome, then the battle's over as far as I'm concerned.  Faster, more real estate, searching from the address bar just makes sense.

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MentalNotes

Strictly speaking, Apple did not give "birth to the WebKit rendering engine".  Webkit is a fork of KHTML, the rendering engine from KDE's Konqueror browser.

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Beatnink

Just about all browsers fall foul of claiming valueable screen real estate with their fancy toolbars and prominent tabs.  Few allow you to reposition your toolbars so that they can be squashed up.  And apart from Google Chrome, all waste extra space with having a title bar. 

I keep trying different new / updated browsers but so far I haven't found one browser that recognises that the most import aspect of the browser is to show as much as possible in the browser window itself.

In fact, I keep going back to Avant Browser because it gives me good flexibility over the toolbars, even if it does fall foul as well of having the title bar take up valueable screen real estate.  I would have been tempted to switch over to Chrome, but its still too basic in that it does not support plugins like RoboForm.

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Bishounen

The So-Called "Awesome Bar" is anything BUT Awesome. Not only is it's behavior non-intuitive, it breaks with expectations of what a URL bar SHOULD do, and you CANNOT CONTROL IT'S BEHAVIOR!

For example, it will AT RANDOM select items from your bookmarks and/or history to display when you are typing something in. (Always fun when you are trying to get to Maximum PC and the address for some porn site pops up in the search results on the drop-down, complete with boobie icon while your wife is looking over your shoulder! Now that's "Awesome"!) The algorithm it uses to determine results is horrendous, and it's nearly impossible to train properly. Oh yes, and the text and icons are so HUGE you can't see more than 10 entries before it scrolls off the bottom of your screen. HUGE WASTE OF SCREEN REAL ESTATE! Essentially, each and every function that Mozilla touts about it are PRECISELY the functions that make it a problem! In short, it STINKS.

Yet despite howls of protest from hundreds of people, the Mozilla devs continue to flip the user base the bird and FORCE people to use the Awful Bar rather than simply make the darn thing an extension that people can add on using the built-in add-ons functionality.

Thus, I (and many, many others) have been forced back to FF2 until somebody spends some time smacking the Mozilla devs around with the clue bat.

Not gonna use FF3 EVER, won't use IE (I LIKE my PC virus free, thank you!) Chrome is STILL a buggy mess, and Opera, while nice, has no extensibility built in, and is WAAAAAAY too strict with the way it renders pages, breaking most sites. And Safari? If I had a Mac, sure. The Win version stinks, and there is no Lin version.

Wahoo. :|

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HeartBurnKid

Install Oldbar to get rid of the "HUGE WASTE OF SCREEN REAL ESTATE!"

Go to about.config and set browser.urlbar.matchOnlyTyped to True to get rid of the bookmarks and history popping in "AT RANDOM".

As for your obviously dysfunctional Caps Lock key, you're on your own. :)

Personally, I like the AwesomeBar, I think the URL bar was long overdue for a rethink, and I wouldn't ever want to go back to the old way of doing things, but to each his own.

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gordonjc

the link is here --

http://www.downloadsquad.com/2008/06/17/dont-think-the-firefox-3-awesome-bar-is-awesome-heres-how-t/

-- but, in short, go into about:config and set browser.urlbar.maxRichResults to zero (it's the number of items to show in the awesome bar drop down). setting it to zero will still show you ONE, but it's much better than 12. you can also get a FF2 URL bar with the "Oldbar" extension.

even if you keep awesome bar as is, you can prevent it from showing embarassing URLs by not bookmarking them, not tagging them and clearing your history - those are the three places it gets URLs from - if it's not in any of those lists, it can't display it.

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Bishounen

You suggestion, while appreciated, does NOT fix the issue.

Trust me, I've done everything short of learning to code and rolling my own version. Extensions DO NOT WORK. Screwing around in about:config DOES NOT WORK. The problem is that the old behavior has been REMOVED from FF3! There is NO WAY to get it back.

So please don't waste my time spouting all the tired old pretend "fixes" when there isn't any practical method of getting the old url bar back without reverting to FF2.

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vrroom

dude, take it easy hahaha. You're life really depends on it, doesn't it? It's not easy to try and take you serious haha. Learning about and dealing with CAPS might help.

 

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nuculerman

I think this is the real war.  Safari and IE aren't going to keep up, and Opera has never had the number of users needed to really compete.

 

I currently spend my time between Chrome and Firefox.  Firefox is more polished and thus is my default browser.  Chrome, however, has a -lot- of potential.  It's faster, and the google address bar is almost as good as the awesomebar already.  However, Firefox is much less buggy and much more customizable, so it's currently winning the war, IMO.  Currently, having used all the browsers listed here, I think the best to worst goes:

1. Firefox

2. Chrome

3. Saphari

4. Opera

5. Internet Explorer 

 

This is all the stable releases, mind you.  Except Chrome which I guess is still technically in beta.

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willsmith

For what it's worth, Opera is the third or fourth most popular browser on Maximum PC on any given day. It just passed IE6 with a total of about 10% of overall share year-to-date. Chrome is hovering around 4%.

We're an enthusiast site, but I would have expected Chrome to take that spot earlier. When Chrome adds extension support, that will change things, I think. However, until I can get mouse gestures and Greasemonkey, it'll be hard for me to use Chrome regularly.

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kingspatula

I have Chrome and IE and neither do it. Haven't tried opera and safari but yea it is nice to have not only an Awesome Bar, but a smart Awewsome Bar.

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amacieli

and can someone explain to be in non-fanboi language why i should care about "wars" and what the "wars" are about anyway.  so what if i use IE rather than FF.  what revenue do the creators get from me using FF, for example?  nothing, right?  no adverts, no forced links to sites i don't want to see, nothing.  so what's the big deal?  for example, just because safari 4 might be good does not mean (at all!) that i will start using other apple products (frantically finds a scrap of wood to touch).

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wrobin

The reason the browser wars matter is because whoever controls the browser, controls the internet.

Microsoft figured out a long time ago that as the web gets more and more full featured, operating systems matter less and less. 

So Microsoft's approach has been to try use it's huge OS install base to get people to use IE, which they could in turn build in features that would make it so that webpages that work with IE wouldn't work with Netscape (and later Firefox, Opera, etc).

If you can do everything you need to do on the web (which honestly most people who aren't either gaming or video encoding can do) then it doesn't really matter what OS you use.  If it doesn't matter what OS you use, it's going to be pretty difficult for MS to sustain their OS prices.

The browser wars are essentially the fight for the future of computing.

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Paul_Lilly

"what revenue do the creators get from me using FF, for example?  nothing, right?"

Actually, quite the contrary. You bring up a good point that's probably deserving of a more lenghty introduction, but to answer your question, there's big money involved in dominating the browser market. This primarily comes from the default search bar, for which Google and others shell out oodles of money.

To give you some hard numbers, Google paid $57 to Mozilla in 2006 to remain the browser's default search option, which accounted for 85 percent of Mozilla's total revenue. More recently, Google inked a 3-year deal with Mozilla that extends its contract to 2011, and ensures Mozilla will have enough funding to pay its staff, support its bandwidth and hardware infrastructure, and continue to distribute grants.

Make no mistake - browser makers have a vested interest in being your default browser that goes beyond just being a good samaritan.

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kwanbis

That is not correct.

Google pay that much to Mozilla, as per their search agreement.

Like,
each time you search using firefox with the google search bar, the same
for others, Mozilla gets a little of the revenue that Google has on
adsense.

Is not much, but multiply it by the millions of users of Firefox, and the millions of search per day, and you have a big number.

Is the same principle that works for adSense.

 

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Cadmium

"...Google paid $57 to Mozilla in 2006 to remain the browser's default
search option, which accounted for 85 percent of Mozilla's total
revenue.
"

So Mozilla made around $70 in 2006?

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Paul_Lilly

Correct. According to the numbers floating around the web, Mozilla pulled in roughly $67 million in 2006, and about $75 million in 2007 (91 percent of which came from Google).

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NeauxFear

I think he was trying to tell you that you wrote "$57" instead of "$57 million."

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amacieli

so, well, i do like chrome and how fast it is (actually, srware iron, because i need a tin hat) but the damn thing crashes on every third site, including youtube and google maps.  pdf files don't feel much love either.  inevitably i use chrome for doing things like "300 gbp in usd" and leave website building for FF3 and IE8.  and pretty much the only thing wrong with IE8 that i care about is the speed, which needs a serious boost.

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psabo

I know webkit is getting a lot of love right now, but.. Mozilla ditching Gecko in favor of it, that's just not going to happen. Read this for a start.

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gilleshache

The features are nice for most browser.  Getting IE to comply more can only be good...But nobody seems to look at memory usage for all the browsers....

 IE8 RC1...Each tab that you open is a separate process in the task manager...200Metg per tab for an empty tab!

IE7...Memory hog also.  Hit  almost 200Megs on the first page you open and each new tab doesn't make it better.

I tried Firefox...Hit the 100-150 also and has you add tab naturally gets a lot higher.

The one I prefer: Chrome.  Each tab takes between 30-40megs depending.  Even it is still high it is doing better than others. I did not try the other browser so won't say anything about thoses.

 Personnaly 200 megs of memory just to open an applicaiton is ridiculuous.  When I tried IE8 RC1 I open a couple of tab and notice memory usage.  I pushed it open 20 tabs (all empty)....My machine went blue screen out of physical Memory!!!!  And this was the release candidate which mean that it will pretty much it the market has is!!!

 

Gilles 

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penguinboy

Minefield (the nightly trunk build of Firefox) is actually pretty good about memory usage.  Here's how things went as opened a few tabs:

1 tab, maximumpc.com: 45MB

add Tom's Hardware: 50MB

add economist.com: 59MB

add ugent.be: 59MB

add weather.com: 68MB

...keep adding tabs until I reach 12: 95MB

So, Firefox is getting better about memory usage.  In Minefied, the memory use really seems to depend on what the content of the websites is.  When I opened ugent.be, I didn't even notice it; the memory used got lost in the fluctuations caused by whatever background stuff Minefield was doing.

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gamesfrager

I think the reason why memory is not that big issue (in general) is because memory prices are very cheap, and almost no one talks about how much memory this or that program requires.

I bought 8 GB of memory and it didn't break the bank. My 32 windows only see 2.75 GB and my firefox takes sometimes 250 MB, so what! I'm still left with 2.5 GB, and if I REALLY need memory for a game I just quit firefox and everyone is happy. So if a browser is consuming 500 MB which is really extreme, it is still nothing.

regards

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urbanpt

I don't agree. Memory is definitely a big issue. If you have a 1.5GHz+ cpu with 512MB of RAM it should be enough to give you a smooth web experience, but nowadays browsers eat memory as hell... Today a 4 year old PC struggles to have 5 or 6 tabs open, and I think it's only the browsers fault. If browsers swallow al the physical mem available, your PC will start swapping and everything will get extremelly slow.

Oh, and Flash is also accountable for this too.

PS:  If you have 8GB RAM with a 32bit OS you might as well have tossed your money to the street. If you buy 4GB RAM (2x2GB) your 32bit Window$ should see it.

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gamesfrager

I bought 8 GB because I was thinking I will do a lot of 3D rendering. I already have 64 bit xp installed.

But a 4 year old computer (and I hope it is a laptop) is really OLD. beside; you can easily upgrade it's memory to 3 GB. They are cheap now. So what is left? You can have 2.75 GB and in some cases xp 32Bit will recognize 3GB (my brother's PC does), so really there is no excuse for not having more than 1.5 GB of RAM.

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