Build the Best Bang for the Buck PC

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MarthaGray22

upto I saw the bank draft ov $4352, I accept that my brothers friend was like actually bringing in money part-time from there new laptop.. there mums best friend started doing this 4 less than eleven months and recently cleard the morgage on there home and bourt themselves a McLaren F1. go to, Fox76.com

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Ordly

This is a Great gaming Rig for future games. Games of tomorrow will use more features that Nvidia has to offer. More detail and attention are add to games like AC III or Hawken. If you like to play lite games like plants vs Zombies, surf the internet, watch movies, and word processing you can build a cheaper PC with AMD APU 2nd gen chip for under 700 dollors. So this computer bang-for-your-buck is built for the long run like 3yr it is still good at 500 dollors yearly. From a person who builds computers every 5yrs for myself and have a budget of 1500 dollors this is Perfect.

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LGA1156

I bet every reader of this article had a rig with the q6600 that was the Go to until the i7 920 came out

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maldo

More intel marketing dept BS.

The FX8350 is $50 cheaper and much faster. Insane that it is not given much deserved credit here.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-3570K+%40+3.40GHz

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davelray

They chose it because it is the best overall bang for the buck.

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-3570K-vs-AMD-FX-8350

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limitbreaker

That's the worst comparison I've honestly seen. Even by their own admission the 8350 has a better value. The algorithm used to make the conclusion is completely flawed. It equates single core performance to be as important as multicore performance when that is a completely subjective view and I don't know how the i5 gets a better overclocking score than the Vishera... I easily overclocked mine by 23% and could get more with better cooling.

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davelray

You are limiting the scope of what you are looking at. I could care less which can be overclocked better. I don't overclock. The 8350 slurps up power at nearly twice the wattage under load as the core i5. So in the long run, the 30 bucks (not 50, and more likely 20) you saved on your processor is eaten up in power usage. Not to mention, the 8350 needs a more powerful power supply, so there's more money. I'm not saying the 8350 is a bad processor by any means. It's AMD's best desktop level processor and deserves it's due. I've been using AMD processors for over 10 years exclusively. I only recently upgraded from a 965 BE to a core i5 Intel build. Not because i5 is better (though it is I grudgingly admit,) but because I got it nearly for free. I personally use whatever I get at the lowest price. But if you mostly gaming or doing normal work, the 8350 is wasted. Only a handful of software out there right now can make use of the 8 cores. As stated in the article, pay for what you need, not what you want. So between that, and it's power consumption rate, the i5 winds up being the better bang for the buck. But that's for right now. The problem with a best bang for the buck build, is in another six months, you have to rethink every single component all over again. This build is a big picture build. You are singling out one component. Look at the bigger picture.

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limitbreaker

First of all, my message was about that link about cpuboss so your reply is built upon amiss understanding. Things have changed since even a year ago and not many applications only use one core, most users like my self will run numerous applications in the background while gaming and single core performance starts to matter a lot less. I like flexibility and I like to multitask so the 8350 starts to look a lot more attractive at that point. As for power consumption I think your point is redundant because the difference may be 2$ a year for me. Both processors use about the same Watts while in idle, its only when you're heavily pushing them that they show a real difference. As for big picture cost of the build, this is where AMD truly wins no matter how you want to concoct the cost, you don't just save 20 or 30$, you save on the motherboard too which usually accounts to over 100$ together for a similarly capable board and not to mention that the socket type will last several generations leaving you with a hefty upgrade in the future without changing the entire build.

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Ordly

Intel Chips have more features than AMD thats why more bang-for-your-buck

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limitbreaker

No they dont...

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Mediziner

The 8350 FX wasn't available at the time they designed this rig and the 8150 just did not deliver against the 3570K.

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wumpus

When did they have to finish this to publish it on dead trees in December (late October was the old rule, but pdfs probably changed things a bit. The dying of the magazine industry probably isn't helping)? It still seems reasonably accurate, meaning we might as well pack up and only drop by once every few months...

I find the lack of AMD chips sad, but justified. You pretty much need a specific niche (either massive parallelism that won't justify an i7 or a budget at the trinity level) to want one. They earned there spot on the hall of fame.

One thing to remember about the Celery300A is the Celery535A was pin compatible and used the same trick to go to 800MHz (doing it again over 1GHz required minor hardware hacking).

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Hey.That_Dude

I'd like to see how much that power costs you over the life of your PC. You want to shoot for Idle power draw around 40-50% of your total PSU as most of the time your system will Idle. And since almost every PSU is designed to be most efficient around 50% you end up with a "future proof" component that saves you money on your energy bill as well.

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Mediziner

This article is old so they didn't have the Vishera chips at that time.

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Gauntylgrym

I found this article quite validating, as nearly all the parts I'd planned on buying to build my wife's content creation PC are on this list. Even better, I didn't know what case to buy, so this article helped a lot on that front. Much thanks!

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mix0plix

COOLER MASTER HAF 912 is a WAY BETTER CASE and its $59.00, I have built 5 comps with this case TWO of them high end gaming rigs, that NZXT is sauce

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Mediziner

I prefer the aesthetics of the NZXT cass over the HAF and the HAF's interior isn't even painted. Please elaborate on how it is better.

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mix0plix

Build the Best Bang for the Buck PC is the name of this post that's why...a painted interior wont make your PC run any faster and at $99.00 the HAF at $59.00 I'll take the HAF912 and use the extra cash for parts that matter more, I'll bet money the air cooling temps are lower in the HAF also just because the plastics cool looking and its got nice colors doesn't mean the case is better I'll take a functionality and practicality over gimmicky flashy esthetics any day the NZXT doesn't offer me ANYTHING more that matters to me than the $59.00 HAF don't that's why

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mix0plix

AND I'm not knocking NZXT at all I built My computer in a NZXT case sorry but the more bang for the buck here happens to be the HAF 912

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Mediziner

The HAF has no USB 3.0 ports, no side window, you have to remove pone of the 3.5" trays to mount the really long graphics cards, etc.
The NZXT also includes a build-in fan controller.

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mix0plix

for $99.00 there are better cases than that NZXT if you feel like spending that much on a box be my guest

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Mediziner

Yes, I know, but Maxpc just decided to pick that case because they liked it more than the competition.

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limitbreaker

For a content creation PC you're much better off with a AMD CPU, most of that kind of software are well multi threaded and push the 8 core to their limits making a 190$ 8350 as fast as an i7 and 90$ would get you a great motherboard like the M5A97 LE.

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mix0plix

agree, I could have built a comp that smokes this thing for under $1000.00, in fact I am doing it as I post this

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frozenchaze

How much exactly will this setup cost? Sorry for being a noob, but i've been following this site for quite some time and just made an account to comment on this article ..
I want to build a gaming PC which can play BF3 at 60 FPS while recording :) Any help would be appreciated :D

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Hagame

Battle Field 3 is one of the most CPU demanding games out there, so you might want to consider a Decent CPu and a GPU, if you want to experience all that Battle Field 3 has to offer. I suggest a i5-3570k with a GTX 650 ti or better.

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tomcattt

check out pcpartpicker.com/p/De4Y

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tomcattt

$1224.74

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frozenchaze

That's way out of my budget .. plus I need to add a monitor and a keyboard too :[

Anyway, I took some advice from here and from BF3 forums and this is what I got {:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Dev6

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Mediziner

Meh, here you go:
https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.aspx?ID=18680551
The CPU is just a placeholder for another CPU I'm getting that's also $100 and from AMD but is not sold from newegg (Phenom II X6 1045T) (best bang for buck @ $100 now for a CPU).
It's a computer I'm building for a person named Charlie. His budget is also under $1000.

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satrain18

It's a little under $1400 if you buy them from NewEgg. OS and DVD-RW included, of course.

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iplayoneasy

Everyone will call me an idiot but here it goes. Buy an AMD FX 8320 or a 6300 CPU. Here's the logic. BF3 and nearly all other modern games use only 4 CPU cores at the most. With this in mind an 8 core CPU is at 1/2 capacity regarding load. Personally with my FX 6300 recording with traps causes no frame rate drop because of the extra 2 cores with my 6 core CPU. As far as performance is concerned. I have 2 gtx 480s in sli. My buddy also has 2 gtx 480s in sli. The only difference is that he has a 3570k and I have an FX 6300 CPU. I get average 72 fps in BF3 yet he averages at. 76 fps. Yet the issue he gets is when running traps he gets frame drops occasionally while I done. With this in mind I would recommend the high core count AMD chip. There's a few videos on YouTube of guys testing streaming and they get the same results as I do. As for motherboards I'd recommend the Asrock 970 for a 6 core and the gigabyte ud3 if you get the 8 core. Also these are really cheap on Microcenter.com. Like $149.99 for the 8 core CPU and $59.99 for the motherboard if you buy them together. Also as far as power consumption if you game for 12 hours each day the amd will cost you an extra $12 in power for the whole year. Just change a bulb in your house to a florescent one and you can ignore the extra wattage consumption.

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frozenchaze

With everything you suggested, how much exactly will it cost? And I never before assembled a PC before, so I'm pretty much a noob overall [:

And also I forgot to mention my budget which is 700$-1000$ ..

Anyways I was derpin around on pcpartspickr.com and I selected some pieces. I need to reduce the price so if anything is suggested, I'll be sure to consider that.

Link -- http://pcpartpicker.com/p/CnjG

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limitbreaker

With that budget you'll spend under 350$ for your motherboard/CPU/ram 250$ for your video card 150$ for your case/psu and 180$ for a 250GB Samsung 840 ssd.

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limitbreaker

First off, avoid getting that 60$ motherboard because it's an older chipset and it's very limited in features compared to a 90$ board like the ud3 he mentioned or the M5A97 LE (not good for sli) which has the best bang for buck and is current gen.

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iplayoneasy

the $60 one is the ud3 actually. Microcenter rocks

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frozenchaze

updated link -- http://pcpartpicker.com/p/D5Sd I still need to remove or downgrade some more parts if anyone could suggest!

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limitbreaker

You're making a big mistake by getting a 3x2gb ram, 6GB isn't very much and you'll occupy your ram channels in an uneven way. Opt for 2x4gb.

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frozenchaze

Okay so, I've updated some things and added a monitor and keyboard to fit my budget .. How's this?

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Dev6

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limitbreaker

The setup you've picked isn't great for overclocking so why pay a premium for a 3570k? Try looking for the i5 3570 (no k) instead and use the extra money to get a better power supply, I'd feel uneasy with only 500 Watts. You want atleast 650 or more.

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frozenchaze

Are you sure I don't need an overclocking system?
Is the setup enough to play both Planetside 2 and Battlefield with atleast low settings at 60+ FPS?

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limitbreaker

I'm guessing that you don't have a proper heatsync lying around. The stock cooler that comes with your CPU isn't capable of doing Much more than its stock settings. Its really up to you, overclocking does take some know how but you may want the 3570k if one day you decide to upgrade to a heavy heatsync. But I can assure you that you don't need to overclock for any game. Any quad core CPU including Intel or AMD can easily push your graphic card to the max, Intel chips generally give 1 or 2% more fps and are better for gaming as long as it doesn't affect your video card budget that can give you much more than 2% more performance. Just check Out some benchmarks for your video card if you want to know what fps you'll get in bf3.

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Hagame

"But I can assure you that you don't need to overclock for any game"

I disagree. A Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo only costs about $35 dollars, and just replacing the heat sink will extend the usable life of a PC significantly. And as games become more demanding in CPU power (see Battle Field 3 64-player Map) you will need to over clock to get the performance you need.

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limitbreaker

Thank you for your comment but you didn't answer within context, the person that I was replying to is buying an i5 which is more than sufficient for any game and I'm sure it can handle bf3 just fine. He has no experience with overclocking and is trying to fit an Intel on a tight budget. What you're proposing will cost him over 50$ more.

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jgottberg

Dude, you are a breath of fresh air on this site. Welcome

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frozenchaze

Haha, I have been following this site for almost 1 and half years but never made an account. Recently I won a giveaway for BF3 on youtube. Obviously needed to upgrade to a desktop. Plus I played some planetside 2 in the beta. It was awesome back then but no it is not optimized to work on my laptop. My laptop keeps overheating on both games. :(

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AETAaAS

I'm surprised AMD's 8350 didn't make the list or even honorable mention. It has good all around performance and you can clock that thing like a mad [redacted]. :p

Part of the consideration of bang for buck is also how long you can run its allied parts. Intel is moving away from socket 1155 to 1150 with Haswell and socket 2011 when Ivy Bridge E comes out. However, AM3+ socket will be good for at least another generation IIRC.

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Hagame

They did mention AMD chips.

"We’re going to break form here by declaring AMD CPUs bang-for-the-buckers. Which one? Just pick any, because nearly all of them qualify.

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chazzyfresh33

no optical drive?

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joshnorem

You can just download OSes now and put them on a USB drive, so we rarely use them.

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