ATI to Nvidia: You're a Dinosaur
Posted 06/25/08 at 08:00:00 AM by Will Smith
Video Playback and Encoding
As we’ve covered in the past, video decode acceleration is a crucial feature for modern GPUs. The new RV770-series GPU handles advanced Blu-ray-required features, such as picture-in-picture, on the hardware, which allows for much lower CPU utilization with supported players. In our testing, CPU utilization went up about 5% when we flipped on picture-in-picture playback, while there was about a 20% increase when using an older ATI card on the same system.
Like Nvidia, ATI has demonstrated GPU-accelerated video transcodes from MPEG2 to H.264 video. While the demos run at an impressive clip, there’s no way for us to compare performance between the two cards, as neither encoder will work with both Nvidia and ATI GPUs, and neither the Element BadaBoom encoder that Nvidia uses, nor Cyberlink’s PowerDirector 7 encode using similar enough settings that we feel comfortable comparing them.
This illustrates the fundamental problem with GPU-based computing today, which we’ll talk about next.
Stream Processing
GPU-based computing promises to bring massive performance to all tasks that require massive numbers of parallel computations to occur, and the early apps, such as the Folding@Home clients, are extremely promising. However, the problem is that there’s one GPU computing API for Nvidia’s cards and a second one for ATI’s cards.
That means that anyone who writes software and wants to harness the power of GPUs needs to write not one, but two programs—one for ATI and one for Nvidia. If anything about the last 13 years of DirectX have taught us anything, it’s that in order for hardware-accelerated anything to succeed, you need to have common APIs that allow developers to write code once that works on both platforms.
We don’t know whether ATI’s Stream or Nvidia’s CUDA is the better API. Because we’re not programmers, we don’t care. But, we do know that there needs to be a common API that developers can write to that will run on every supported GPU. To make that happen, ATI and Nvidia need to put aside their differences and work together to build a common API that works on all hardware. If the two companies need a place to start, Apple pitched OpenCL, which does just that.
The Speeds and Feeds
And now, it’s time to talk about the hardware. By the time you read this, ATI will have launched both the Radeon 4850 and the Radeon 4870. Priced at $200 and $300 respectively, these cards are set to compete squarely in the mid-range.
The 4850 ships with 512MB of GDDR3 running at 993MHz on a 256-bit bus. The board we tested runs a 625MHz core and sports the same 800 stream processors as the more expensive 4870. The card will sell for between $200 and $250 depending on configuration and specs.
The Radeon 4870 is ATI’s new mid-range part, slotting it the $300 price range. The GPU core runs at 750MHz and the boards 512MB of GDDR5 memory runs at 900MHz on a 256-bit bus. Remember though, that the GDDR5 memory transfers 4 chunks of data per clock, giving it an effective memory bandwidth that’s almost double that of the 4850. For $50-$100 more, this is a Good Thing.
| Radeon 4850 | Radeon 4870 | GeForce GTX 280 | |
|---|---|---|---|
| GPU Core | 55nm RV770 | 55nm RV770 | 65nm GT200 |
| GPU Clock Speed | 625MHz | 750MHz | 602MHz |
| Memory Type/Interface | 256-bit GDDR3 | 256-bit GDDR5 | 512-bit GDDR3 |
| Memory Speed | 993MHz | 900MHz | 1107MHz |
| Die size | 260mm^2 | 260mm^2 | 576mm^2 |
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What about Linux drivers? Is
Submitted by rabscuttle on Sun, 07/06/2008 - 5:34pm
What about Linux drivers? Is ATI going to play nice with us?
For those that don't know,
Submitted by pcfxer on Sat, 06/28/2008 - 4:31pm
For those that don't know, OpenCL is C-code compiled into OpenGL code to make graphics processing/debugging quicker and easier. The C-code is first written, debugged, compiled with llvm, debugged some more (or sent back to C for more debugging), etc., etc.
If you hack compilers, you'll love llvm.
oh?
Submitted by dc10ten on Fri, 06/27/2008 - 12:55pm
could ATI/AMD be finally coming out of the disaster that was this past year?
I just picked up a couple
Submitted by Ogdin on Wed, 06/25/2008 - 3:58pm
I just picked up a couple 4870's to replace my 8800gtx.
Trading up HD3870? This looks sweeter!
Submitted by the_river on Wed, 06/25/2008 - 11:00am
I paid like $240.00 for my HD3870, which I hooked up to a 47" LG 1080p HDTV. Sweet through HDMI. Quality is amazing! I'm thinking of reselling my 3870 for like $150.00 on eBay or something and paying the extra $50 for a jump Of course, my clock is about 775MHz+ with an OC tool, so that is a trade off for the cheaper card. The way I see it, pros are as follows:
- 2.5x the procs (800 vs. 320)
- Single slot card over my mammoth of a 3870 Asus cooler
- Less power hungry
- Dirt cheap for the performance increase.
- Crysis at higher resolutions? (only played the demo, but DX10 is so sweet looking). I'd by it then for sure.
Grats to A(MD+TI)
Submitted by DRAGONWEEZEL on Wed, 06/25/2008 - 10:20am
I am glad that they will be able to compete again. I hope that they are secretly building a megafast top end card, just waiting for Nvidia to roll out one more geforce XXX so they can drop the bomb.
Price /performance is what matters to all but the affluent. Why sport extra heat in your case when most of the time good enough will do? I personally don't want to apply Degree to my case to keep it from perspiring, especially with warmer weather coming up (here in some parts, but not where I am at).
For those of us who do the best we can with what we got, this sounds like the perfect upgrade and right price to anyone who has a 1 1/2 year old & older videocard, yet wants to play modern games.
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Well, I guess you could
Submitted by n0t_a_n000b on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 10:59am
Well, I guess you could consider the 4870 X2 the bombshell, but I agree something even better will come out soon.
I found the bombshell! Visiontek has a new watercooled beyond superclocked 4870 Black Edition. Sounds sick, eh!
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N0t a n00b
Submitted by n0t_a_n000b on Fri, 08/22/2008 - 2:14pm
N0t a n00b
I'm inclined to agree with
Submitted by mikeart03a on Wed, 06/25/2008 - 12:46pm
I'm inclined to agree with you there. I've been a bit of an ATI fan over the years as their cards performed pretty well at a decent price and they were Canadian owned prior to the AMD buyout. I'd recommend nVidia more for the performance freaks. However, I find that ATI boards generally performed well for most people as well as budget shoppers, including myself.
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ditto
Submitted by da_samman on Mon, 07/28/2008 - 9:31am
Ditto here. In my next rig I plan to build, I'm putting in an 8800GTS 512 MB by EVGA, with an EVGA mobo that supports SLI. However, if you feel that the 4870's are better for a budget box, please let me know.
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