Build the Ultimate AMD Gaming PC

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iplayoneasy

Microcenter has the 8320 for $140

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TheMissingPiece

I don't care what people think; this is one badass build. Too bad you guys couldn't get ahold of Cooler Master's AMD-themed HAF 932: http://coolermaster-usa.com/product.php?product_id=2963

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PCLinuxguy

They did another build like this using an NZXT Phantom case and an Asus Sabertooth 990fx quite a while back as an all AMD build since there were tons of requests for it. I belive N.Edwards did that one

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vrmlbasic

That HAF 932 case looks kinda cool but it is branded with AMD's Fusion name, which this MPC build does not use, and is not branded with an AMD Scorpius logo, which this MPC build is.

A design decision that I don't grasp as it is plain to see that giant scorpion > petite metallic dragon ;)

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mikeyfree

Since Windows 8 pro 32/64 bit is the newest operating system by Microsoft, shouldn't you be using it? AMD cpu's are supposed to have a slight if any increase in performance with it.
I prefer w8 to 7, for the fact that my 5770 driver in w7 will not update without problems. Stuck using 10.6 with w7, using w8 no problems at all.

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Xenite

Should of waited and used one of the special edition Centurion 5ghz chips hehe.

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epicfail48

So was i the only one that read the article close enough to notice that the OS section talked about installing an OS on the raspberry Pi? Or is my browser just wonky?

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vrmlbasic

No, you were not.

I saw it and thought,half seriously, that the non sequitor was some weird way of comparing the 8350 to a Raspberry Pi to imply that it was underpowered.

I don't know how it got in the article but I though that its inclusion was amusing.

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mikeyfree

WOW! Good catch. Think this article was cut and pasted together?

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jonnyohio

You are not the only one...I was like WTF? Lol

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vrmlbasic

That's a pretty cool AMD-styled case.

Unfortunately, when I click the link provided, the website reports it as costing only a penny short of a grand, which is too high for any case (especially one which is billed at ~1/20th of that in the article)!

What's going on with that?

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husty73

maybe they figured it was now famous because of the maxpc build?

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husty73

maybe they figured it was now famous because of the maxpc build?

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toxavenja

I probably would get more performance for my dollar with the AMD but who knows you never did that. Oh remember AMD fanboys, according to maxpc the ultimate amd system can only have one, count them one gpu. Crossfire doesnt exist in maxpc world. I geuss we'll wait two more years till the next amd build to see if crossfire is invented yet. I've been checking this site for interesting amd articles before i subscribe geuss I'll pass.

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stradric

I think to be fair you should pit the build against a similarly priced intel. An i7 is 2.5x the cost of an FX-8350. I can upgrade my computer with a similar build to this one (plus 8 more GB of RAM) here for the price of an i7. The FX-8350 does pretty well against an i5.

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SpecNode

This build is very questionable....

For an ultimate gaming build, that power supply is a poor choice.
-A SeaSonic M12II 620 would be better.

Crossfire on this build would be bad choice for an AMD build.
-If you can afford crossfire, you can afford Intel.

4TB drive for a gaming PC? Really? Even if you installed 50 games that's over kill and expensive.

You could have dropped the 4TB for a 2TB black(or green) for data storage/games which would allow you to go Intel!

Case is a piece of garbage. Cooler master, and Corsair, have way better cases for reasonable prices.

230 dollar board for an AMD gaming system with a single? Unnecessary.

I don't hate AMD, I question your poor build; poor value for dollar. AMD is about value/budget, which this PC is crazy for an AMD system.

I'll show you a better build, and cheaper:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/RyOP

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husty73

they werent going for an ultimate gaming build, they were going for an all amd build. sort of cuts out the intel chip there doesnt it? also, the corsair psu chosen is a wise pick, 1) 80plus certification, 2) massive 12v rail amps and 3) not gonna cost an arm and a leg! i ONLY use corsair psu's in my customer builds, unless the customer specifies one in the estimate. heck, there's one in my box right now, that is allowing me to type this reply! the case was chosen because it was a special amd badged case, so cut out corsair and cooler master. plus, the asus board that was picked is for the 990 chipset and high clock range for the fast factory clock speed of the processor (will run at 4ghz stock). instead of just looking at specs in an article, try reading it to see why they picked the parts they did! then you wouldnt have people like me refuting your posts all the time.

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thewildman

Article title: 'Build the Ultimate AMD Gaming PC'. I guess that's not going for 'an ultimate gaming build' then according to you?

I think MPC would cop a lot less flak if they posted the spec per $ (or a roughish estimate) and not just the total spec (I think it's fine to compare to the ZP too, but post the ZP spec/$ too). This may see some happier faces who are going budget, but I don't think this build\article could cover those going for 'ultimate' over $.

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mywonderapple

Why the hell would they put an Intel chip in a build centered around AMD... They know they can build a better system with better parts but they are just showing the best AMD has to offer.

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h2323

Its not... this build sucks, it can be done so much better, and you need to to get your performance dollar from AMD

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SpecNode

That wasn't the point...it was to show how bad their AMD ultimate rig was, and useless when the Intel build I setup was a little cheaper, and much better.

This wasn't a best AMD has to offer too, it was a throw some crappy parts together for 2000 bucks.

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joshnorem

Hey everyone, 

Here's the situation with this build. Every month we decide to build a PC. Some times we build a gaming rig, a small rig, quiet rig, Commodore 64 rig, etc. For this particular issue we decided to build an AMD rig for a few reasons. 1. People were asking for more coverage of AMD parts as it has been/will be more focused on Intel since they have more going on in the CPU world that WE cover, eg high performance. 2. Vishera had just come out, and even though we'd benchmarked it, we had not put it into an actual system yet. 3. We thought it would be a fun project. 

Once we had the build complete we benchmarked it like we would with any of ther system that we get in for review. Now, as you know, most of the systems we get in for review are multi-thousand dollar systems, with some costing as much as $8,000, so you know we are talking some serious hardware here. 

Because of the caliber of systems we receive for review, we compare them all to an equally powerful machine we call the "zero point." This system has a Core i7-3960X CPU, GTX 690, etc. That system is the basis for all of our system testing. 

So when we finished the AMD build, we decided to compare it to the Zero Point not because we wanted to bash AMD and because we hate them, but because that is what we had to compare it to. We did not have another system with similar specs to use for comparison.

Now - PLEASE READ THIS - when we were doing these comparisons we were aware of the unfair nature of them. The Vishera CPU and the GPU specifically are totally outmatched in this comparison. We had a long debate in the office about how to do this fairly. In the end, we just went with what we had, which was comparing it to the Zero Point. 

Going forward, we no longer compare built systems to the zero point. It's just not fair, we know that. Unless the specs are similar of course, but most of the time they are not. Going forward we usually just either build another system or try to find numbers for an equivalent system, or we just tell you what scores we got in testing. We hope that works for those of you who want that kind of information in your articles. 

So thank you for the feedback and as always, we read it and do our best to give you fair, non-partial information. We also take feedback into account and try to deliver the type of content the readers ask for, so thanks for taking the time to post. 

josh

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h2323

nothing wrong with comparing to zero point but utilize the 8350 properly, use win 8, use faster ram and overclock that thing to 4.7 like every power user is.

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warptek2010

Josh, that is all well and good but what I picked up on that you kind of left out is HOW WELL does this rig play games? Since after all, it is supposed to be a gaming rig. Can you play a fairly recent new title on max settings with no issues whatsoever or do you have to scale it back to the high/mid settings? I only ask because I have similarly equipped machine based on an 8150 Piledriver w/8GB of 1600mhz, 990FX, Radeon HD 6950 and I experience no lags on high settings.

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Chronologist

I think what would be more interesting is if you guys stacked these monthly built computers against the Blueprint PC's you've built. You've got 3 solid computers at varying price tiers; why not pit them against the one that closest matches the build in price; or just all of them?

But I was honestly a little disappointed to see no CrossfireX action in this.

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vrmlbasic

I like the concept of testing against a "zero point" as it makes all the benchmarks for various PCs comparable and eliminates--not that you guys would do this--bias that could arise if you were to build a custom PC that is "comparable" to what you're testing.

If you guys hadn't tested this PC against the zero point then I wouldn't have as much of an idea as I do now of how my 8350-based machine would compare to it.

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mikeyfree

1st, you decide not to show the full build, unlike Intel.

2nd, "THE NUMBERS AREN’T PRETTY", was it necessary to yell this out? I can't find any other Intel articles that your stating in ALL CAPS how zero point has defeated the build. Here's a 1 link:http://www.maximumpc.com/article/how-tos/how_build_small_gaming_pc?page=0,3

3rd, you tend to state the differences from an Intel build to the zero point in a pleasant reassuring type. In AMD you state a bit but not all discrepancy's.

All site's do this so don't feel like your alone. I have a core5 build downstairs and a amd t1055 build upstairs, and I prefer the amd, I tend to have everything going at the same time so I seems to handle that better.

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Hey.That_Dude

I, actually, really like the comparisons. I know they can be unfair sometimes but they're really great at showing technology's generational leaps.
Maybe, instead of throwing out the zero point, you could have a Basic, Mid-range, and High End zero points. Then you could show the one or two zero point comparisons that made the most sense with what was tested. Showing upper and lower bounds would be a great way of ranging parts (and I have to do it all the time for friends and family, so having it done for me would be awesome! ;-D)

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Hilarity

Fuck AMD, slow power hungry hogs that are butchered by Intel apart from the most multithreaded benchmarks (which Haswell will take back anyway). You want a perfect all rounder from Intel, get a 3770/4770 - it will last for years and sips power to boot.

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T3RR0RH4WK

LOL thank you for making me laugh. I needed that today.

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mikeyfree

Premiere Pro zero point(z/p)= 2,000 amd original(a/o) 5,160, w/dualgpu(new) 2,580
Stitch.Efx2.0 z/p 831 a/o 1,489 new 744.5
ProShow Producer z/p 1,446 a/o 1,451 new 2,902
x264 HD z/p 21.1 a/o 14.8 new 29.6
Batmans Arkam z/p 76 a/o 51 new 102
3 DMark 11 z/p 5,847 a/o 3,122 new 6,244

I have the AMD build winning in 5/6.
Now prove me wrong. Could this be why they didn't use a dual gpu?

Theoretic results if a Dual GPU was used.

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Blackheart-1220

Ultimate AMD Gaming PC = mid-range Intel Gaming PC

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Xenite

You have some brown stuff on your nose.

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jzsn

Sorry this build is as irrational as it gets.

Pretty sure now days anyone who is forced to go with AMD instead of Intel is due to budget constraint. Why would anyone drop 2 grand on something that you stated yourself is not even in the same universe with the Intel i7 series? Even i7 3770K is faster than FX-8350 and more optimized for all these benchmarks.

In other words I can spend slightly above 1 grand on intel and nvida's non-top tiered products and still get the same performance.

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h2323

am3+ is good for another full iteration of processors. If you just purchased a 3770k your dead in the water as far as upgrading is concerned. You can put faster ram in, run win8, and overclock to a 3570k and close to a 3770k, no issue.

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mikeyfree

"but it’s not a surprise since Vishera was not designed to go head-to-head with a $1,000 Intel Core i7 CPU", I can't believe he says this and still post the results. When I consider a purchase the items I look at are equally priced then I go from there. 1,000 for Intel parts = 220 for AMD parts. I don't see the logic behind this.

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mikeyfree

Take the price of the zero point and post the difference of the two.
Is this the writer that posted the virus wall papers too? Terrible.

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GuavaSauce

you guys put a single gpu against a dual gpu, and wrote as though you thought it would beat it?

your calling the i7-3960 a generation old?

pitting a true hexa core against a shared resource, BY LAYMAN NUMBERS ONLY, octo core, and though it would hold up? barely brushed on the HUGE price difference.....

im not a screaming fan of either camp, but seriously.... maybe you should go write for yahoo news?

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h2323

well at least utilize what the 8350 has by overclocking it and setting it up for performance correctly

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beta212

Definitely agree with the yahoo news part. But I think a main issue is that they don't have the resources aka money, (honestly, I know it's going to hurt)the zeal, or knowledge to write good tech pieces anymore. While some other groups might do 20 benchmarks, they do 5 and call it a day. And unfortunately this causes a chicken egg cycle, less people reading causes lower quality pieces which in turn causes less people to read.

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GuavaSauce

i really dont mind the amount of benchmarks they use. i also understand the money issue and that, like the author stated above, they only have a zero point system. what kicks me is the words used to compare the system; it seems like an attempt to line em up straight across. really, the gfx based benches are awesome to me. iirc, the single 7970 and the vishera scored over half the fps of the zero point system with a i7 and dual gpu. that reads to me as a win, but again based on the verbage used, its looked at as getting smoked in a straight comparison.

<- open for hire for constructive articles or editing.

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mikeyfree

Some serious AMD bashing here.

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T3RR0RH4WK

You're telling me. All bullshit rhetoric, too.

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