Build the Ultimate AMD Gaming PC

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I really enjoy the content about building the ultimate AMD gaming PC.
There also have anther tool to finish it!!!

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meachamrob

Seems like a good build. Hope to try and build a new computer in 2014. ~catalystwebdev

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Chazr

I would NOT consider this THE ultimate AMD build by ANY means..before or AFTER the official 7990 "Malta" was released.
Case is crap (yeh yeh... it's an AMD case...But? it is an OLDER AMD case.), No liquid cooling... (Asetek makes an AMD branded liquid cooler for the FX lineup.) 1600mhz ram was used in place of the next step-up in AMD's branded memory. (And in all honesty... who would actually use AMD's RAM? It is very low priced atleast, but still.)

I can argue against the zero point system... But I know better, it is what it is, for comparison to a kick-ass system. However, it could have been made somewhat "Fair". Prior to the official Radeon 7990 "Malta" being released, there were already a few companies making a half-hearted attempt at a 7990, powercolor and the devil13, Asus and the Ares II (to think? an Asus card was used and this wasn't an option?), etc. one of those as a gpu selection for comparison sake vs. the zero point system would have been somewhat fair. (The non-official 7990's lack the pci link used in the official 7990 "Malta" that is ALSO used in the geforce 690.)

I have NO complaints on motherboard selection...
In fact..just about any 990fx based chipset will make do.

I will say this... You should be ashamed to even have thought of using a no-name brand power supply. And lucky you didn't short out the $2,000 in components you had there using it! Seriously? I know AMD is for the budget conscious bang for the buck underdog... But the power supply? (insert a Gordon Ramsey meme quote here)

As for the CPU? it is AMD's top dog right now...and can be had for less than $190 on newegg. it is more comparable to an i5 3570k ($220) Nothing much can be done to bring a beefier cpu to the table. MAYBE when the 5ghz Centurian ships..for $800...but if it is just a plain Vishera chip on on premium piece of silicon? kind of pointless..just oc an 8350...
(some websites actually state the 8350 is comparable to the lower end i7's...I know better.).

All I'm saying... The build could have had a few "better" components and made more "equal/fair" in comparison to the zero point base system. Components/tweaks such a liquid cooling/800Mhz+ CPU oc.
(Which should be easily accomplished, as I'm typing this on a Phenom 2 955BE X4 3.2ghz oc'd to 4ghz/970 chipset mobo. with a Corsair H60i liquid cooler. AMD chips are known to oc nicely.) Better (Higher Speed 1833mhz or higher) Ram memory... or atleast the highest speed/version of AMD branded RAM.
Then to make it completely fair? (even at the time) A 7990 graphics card. (as stated..for at the time... an unofficial 7990 would fit the task)

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peterpower049

just bought the same case for my AMD build but my build is coming in under $800.

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PDX-1337

That case is bad ass, if it had a little bit more window I would be all over it.

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Zentuck

Okay so let me get this straight, the AMD solution is 8 cores with a single GPU costing for the two parts about $700 and you thought it would be good to compare it to a 6+6(12) core with a dual GPU card and the two parts costing $2000?

First question, How much did Intel pay for this article?

Second Question, Will you be removing the Minimum BS tagline from your magazine header before we sue for false advertising?

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Upyourbucket

I enjoyed reading about this build. What I didn't like was the comparison.Wasn't reasonable at all. You said you didn't have something on hand to compare it to. That's a poor excuse. Find a fair comparison and make it happen. It was mentioned you were pressed for time on this build.Take the time to get it right. This avoids the villagers from getting their pitchforks,tar, and feathers. Maybe you can make it up to us in your next AMD build.

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iplayoneasy

I have a FX 8350 cooled by an H100 and I also have a 7970 MSI lightning. My buddy has a i7 3770k cooled by an H100 and he has a gtx 680 MSI lightning. At 1080p even with Fraps open the numbers keep trading blows. In his case though his best overclock with the i7 was 4.4GHz due to heat, but my FX is at 4.8GHz and runs a tad cooler. The advantage you get with the extra clock speed makes up the difference.

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PCLinuxguy

which is why I'm leaning toward the 6300 but with a 660ti. may swing toward a radeon after doing more research to find an AMD GPU that is similarly priced that meets or beats a 660ti. Since I dual boot windows and linux I'm leaning to nvidia, but some have no problems with a radeon GPU

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Jeffredo

The AMD build is very nice and your zero point rig is ridiculous to compare it against. Did you do this just to generate these long-winded diatribes about it that everyone is posting? I'm imagining so since the comparison makes zero sense.

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joshnorem

I wrote a response elsewhere in this commenting area. Take a gander. 

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h2323

your responses do not justify the lazy build and lazy review

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dragoon20005

i been reading your articles about PC build for quite a while but this is a first time i ever saw such a poorly built AMD rig

throwing the AMD right into a battle with the Intel i7 Extreme is too much

using the engine reference

the AMD is like a Toyota TRD 4AGE 20V Silvertop running at 12,000rpm with 240bhp

and the Intel i7 Extreme is like a Nissan RB26DETT engine

yes AMD love speed so thats why i compare it to the high reving 4AGE and Intel i7 extreme is like a inline 6 of the RB engine

while both may be racing engines but there is a huge difference between the 2 engines

and the graphics card are like your force induction

AMD is using the HD7970 which is like a supercharger but the Geforce GTX 690 is akin to twin HKS GT1000 turbos

so yea 2 different engines with 2 different form of force induction

if you want to make a fair comparision, you either have to bump up the RAM,GPU power and get rid of that casing and get a decent looking one and add a proper CPU cooler

look below for the parts i would choose

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/SpMi

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husty73

Ive been building amd systems for several years, mostly due to cost differences with their intel brethren. my current system is actually an 8-year-old socket 939 dual core that i run purpetually overclocked, with 4gb corsair xms ultra ddr400 (the black sticks) and a strung out geforce 8800gs (clocked from 550mhz to 775)with a 7900gtx cooler on it. now this is no beast at all by todays standards, 22 and 32nm chips eat this for lunch before theyre done booting up windows! but, this system has held its own for one reason: I did the research to find out what parts work well with others. Anyone can grab a bunch of nice parts, stuff them in a box and push the button. and thats when you get something like this build: to start, the 8350 is a smoking chip, and the only way something with that fast of clock frequency is going to spread its wings is to let the ram run wild too. by choking it down to the bandwidth of the 1600 chips, its like putting a nascar engine in a go kart, but only putting 1 gear in it.. all that power, no way to use it. and if i may scoff at the choice of video card? of course the 7970, even a rev'd up version of the 7970, is not going to compete with a twin-gpu gtx 690! The test bed system that you folks are currently using as a flat line is a screaming system, even in today's gaming world. I'd drool a bucketfull just to use it for a teeny while! This amd chip is capable of clock speeds that most manufacturers cringe at, and you could push into those numbers, but you need to let that chip breath! (not cooling, open the throttle!) Yes, the build was less than $2k, and we commend you on that. But dont you think that the flagship amd chip deserves a little better build to stretch its legs and go? start with the ram: Kingston, gSkill and mushkin all offer an 8gb ddr3 2400 kit, all for under a hundred bucks (newegg.com). these will eat that 1600 kit for lunch! the motherboard supports 2400 series ram for overclocking, so give it that capability. fx chips are all unlocked, so play with it! next, that poor video card! im an nvidia guy myself, but i will not downplay the radeon cards in any way (just not my first choice). I would have opted for the gigabyte gvr-797to-3gd 7970 myself, with a factory clock of 1100mhz and only a double slot fan, for basically the same price. truly the best option would be the 7990 to compete with the gtx690, but we understand holding back at least a little. I agree with your choice of drives, espeically considering the case space, and i only use asus motherboards, because i like to push my systems, and only asus has been able to handle it over the years. Im a huge fan of maxpc, but seriously guys... (btw, im looking for work.... need a builder/tester?? :) )

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h2323

Why not do the build right, I think you know better. My similar build with a 7950 is faster than this one. You have to use fast RAM with 8350's, your ram choice makes no sense, none. I have patriot at 2133 on mine and you should do the same to level the playing field. Whats with the cooler, seriously, on a 125 watt CPU with crazy OC potential.That motherboard overclocks intensely, no h100i? Windows 8 would help as well. Whats with the HD choices. whats with the case? I question your setup, the 8350 is faster then that.

Note that the 8350 is the 10th fastest consumer processor ever released before overclocking, the above 9 are 1 gen old and current gen I7's

Lazy build lazy review

The 8350's are not plug and play, you have to do the right things for them to move, but that's why people buy them. Do the system right and re-post to do your name some justice

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PCLinuxguy

not to sound terse, but if you feel you can do it better, then please do as I know people will be willing to check it out myself included. :-)

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husty73

agreed on the ram choice, id opt for 2400 ram, since the mobo will take it. let that chip stretch out and run! id plop a corsair liquid cooler on it and start juicing it up, see if it could hit 6ghz (the 8150 hit 8.429gz running two cores being cooled with liquid nitrogen, currently holds the fastest silicone-based chip clock speed record) I think this new chip could press those numbers, and give the intel guys a little something to be green about

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PubstarHero

Well I think the whole thing was "Going Only AMD" - If they seriously wanted RAM to match the system, they could have just gone with some G.Skill Rip JawZ RAM. I have it running @1866 on my Crosshair Formula V. And seriously, the bump to a liquid cooling system is cheap. I have a H60 I picked up for $45 sitting on my 8150 right now.

And, just personal preference: I am running the XFX 7970 Black Edition with my system, just not the DD version. Sure, it doesnt have 4x HDMI, but I only need the one HDMI and 1 DVI, and it's $50 cheaper. Hell, maybe they could have splurged on a CM Storm Trooper case or something.

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krash3x

You AMD fanboys are forgetting that the Core i7 3930 isn't even intel's flag ship processor. I have a core i7 965 from 4 years ago that this AMD processor is still falling behind. I was a huge fan of AMD and hated intel and then came Conroe. Intel Beat AMD in almost every benchmark. Do you guys remember when you could pick up an AMD FX edition processor and know that you had a reasonable contender for the best gaming processor. That doesn't happen anymore. The fact of the matter is AMD's recent offerings have been a joke when it comes to benchmarks. My new core i7 3970 barely beats my my core i7 965 by 15fps in most benchmarks. Moore's law doesn't apply when intel has a joke for competition. A lot for people have been blaming Intel's market dominance as the reason why the desktop pc is dying but I believe that AMD's lack of innovation and vision is just as much to blame. Intel pulled a lot of cheap tricks like slowing down x86 when it used AMD processors, and striking deals with bigger manufacturers to not use AMD hardware, but those days are over. Where is AMD? They are still in the back and can barely compete with hardware that is almost half a decade old. Look at what Happened with ATI. You have to buy a dual card to compete with a single nvidia card in most cases. The Dragon concept over promising and under performing. It looks like AMD is getting to the point where they are just happy to be afloat and if it wasn't for some of you people which I have to admit are some of the best examples of devoted fan base I have seen, they would have sunk years ago. There might be hope in the horizon with AMD picking up the game console market but game consoles are part of the declining game market. I really hope that in time AMD will be a competitor in the gaming enthusiast market but I wouldn't bet on it. They are just to far behind to compete.

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h2323

I just checked toms, overclockers and techpowerup, at stock 8350s are faster then 965's don't kid yourself, go run firestrike I will as well and post your results. Look at some charts across the internet.

oh and 3930 currently $650

8350 $199

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husty73

comparing intel i7 chips to amd fx chips is apples to oranges. they could be clocked identically, say 3.6ghz, and the intel will win, due to larger bandwidth capability and crossthreading. but, you will not find an intel processor that will run door to door with the 8350 for the measley price of $200 that amd asks!

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Lostintrance29

Reminds me of Nod from C&C

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mikeyfree

So since your answering post joshnorem, will you do the test again with dual gpu's? Just to quiet the crowd, so to speak.

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NSain

no one there knows anyone closeby with a $1500-2000 priced intel/nvidia build to pit this amd machine against? I have an i5-3570k with gtx670 for $1400 this would probably be a close enough build to bench against this amd.

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joshnorem

Thanks. You should have dropped your rig off for us to test. 

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h2323

maybe do your build right

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NSain

pay for travel from indiana?
could use a good trip out of state... :)

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wargasm

With all the other points listed, no one else noticed the AMD system used a 7970 vs a 690? Why not use a 7990 and make it apples to apples?

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joshnorem

We compare all systems to the Zero Point, which has a 690. See my response in this thread about how we did it then versus how we are doing it now. 

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thematejka

"Thermaltake’s V3 AMD is specifically designed for AMD processors and RAM. OK, we made that up."

^this made me laugh so hard^

I'm glad you guys built an AMD rig. As a person who's experimented with dedicated Intel and AMD builds, I knew the AMD build would probably not compare to the high end of Intel, however. AMD is just not targeting the market that Intel is. That being said, the AMD parts are more than adequate and will kick butt (for a better price).

I wonder, is there any real difference in performance between the FX part you put in and a Phenom X6 1100T? I've heard the FX parts never broke the bar AMD set for themselves with the X6's. In fact, some users report better X6 performance. Although, this is not something I've tested myself or read on heavily.

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JimmyD1964

6% up to 24% better single thread performance on the 8350 (application specific).
up to 40% better multi-thread for the 8350. (as per CPU world)
As to the 1100T Drawbacks: As compared to 8350:
Not as fast in general,
Does not support some instructions

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h2323

mmm no phenoms are actually significantly slower using synthetic benchmarks.

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torquemator

Hey Josh,

Loved the article, nice to see an AMD machine in as much glory as one can have in today's market.

I think I saw a copy and paste error in the first page of your article. What is this reference to raspberry pi?

The Operating System: Not only do you need extra peripherals before you can get started, the Raspberry Pi is also missing an operating system. To make it work, you need to get a hold of a compatible operating system and write it to the SD card. We'll show you how, below. Note: It’s wise to read through all of the steps first before actually embarking on the process.

Thanks,
Tork

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joshnorem

Thanks Torque. Where do you see the typo?

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torquemator

Thought this might happen. So I took a screenshot of it.

Please see:

http://www.dcdruids.org/logs/UltimateAMDGamingPC.jpg

That's what I saw, and what I was reporting. Glad you got it all fixed up.

-Tork

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stinkvingertjie

Wow what a abolute waste of time this article was!!

Now how did you figure this was a fair test for the AMD build?? You take a single card and compare it to the GTX 690. And then you take the best cpu from intel which most people can only dream of. And "As you look at the benchmark chart below, you should hear the sad trombone sound from The Price is Right playing in your head because this system got smoked by our zero-point rig" - what a stupid comment to make!!!

Any person who knows just a bit of hardware would have told you that the "zero-point rig" as you would like to call it would have smoked the AMD build system!!

Now i ask you how many AMD fan boys have the 8350 cpu and how many Intel fan boys have the i7 processor Extreme Edition?? I can take you a bet AMD wins hand down!!!!

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PCLinuxguy

benchmarks-schmenchmarks.. in every-day Real World Usage (i.e. not benchmarking testing). you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Kinda like those "blind taste tests". 2 rigs made identical except one runs an intel cpu and the other an amd cpu as the Only differences. no way to tell which is which ( per the 'blind' part of the test as far as intel vs amd machines on the desk) and you'd never know the difference whether it be web browsing or gaming (as the GPU is what's doing the majority of work these days).

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AETAaAS

While the numbers are disappointing, they are not unexpected... But as many have said, the price disparity is enough to build 2 of the AMD systems for one of the ZPs.

Was the 8350 or 7970 overclocked? I see the Intel was bumped in the Zero point, I hope you guys at least did the courtesy of doing the same on the AMD because I see no mention of it in the article.

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joshnorem

We experimented with overclocking the 8350 but it kept shutting off its cores, so we ended up leaving it at stock clocks. The GPU is pre-overclocked. 

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JimmyD1964

Maybe you should learn how to OC then Dude. My 8350 Stresses great at 4.7 at 55C with a TC14pe.
Besides your "Zero Point" performs like a turd on a 9v battery
upside the Cray XT5. Yea, That's right!
Same logic as yours. Like it?
Sometimes I have no idea who you guys think your talking to. Guys at the Apple Store?

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iplayoneasy

I took a fx 8320 on a hyper 212 with a ud3 mobo to 4.6GHz and hit it with prime95 for 7 hours. Maxed out at 59C with no errors.

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h2323

lazy, there is a ton of assistance online overclocking this cpu. On that board you can hit the level up button and get 4.5. Maybe put a h100 or h80 on and you wouldn't get cores shutting off, whats with you guys, usually way better than this.

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AETAaAS

That's disappointing to hear. I've no experience overclocking anything newer than a 1090T so I cannot comment, but hopefully you guys will revisit this with a different proc? Maybe you guys got a dud one.

Otherwise call up AMD and tell them that one of their parents, possibly paternal... smelled distinctly of a fruity berry. :p

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mikeyfree

Just like tomsH this site luvs to trash AMD with builds and articles that tend to be similar, and make no sense. So I ask the question, "why is the PS3 gonna use AMD cpu/gpu if they are soooo much worst than Intel?". I would believe that price per performance if only PS3 signed with AMD; But XBox went with AMD also. So that tends to say at least to me that there is something more, as I've stated before I have both Intel/AMD rigs in my home. For me I get more performance with my AMD rig.
Also, why are they still using the DDr3 1600 memory? AMD makes DDr3 1866 which is optimized for latest generation cpu's.

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h2323

on toms this cpu benches really well on a lot of their charts.

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Chronologist

Consoles is a GPU war between AMD and Nvidia, not Intel and AMD. The current gen PS3 uses a Nvidia solution equivalent to a 7800 GTX if memory serves me right.

Gaming is pretty much all on the GPU, that's why the PS4 is packing a 7850 equivalent with basically an octo-core APU, which none of us power users would even consider for a primary gaming machine. I don't think Intel even made a bid for a spot. Anyways, it'd imagine it would be cheaper for Microsoft and Sony to source both the CPU and the GPU from the same vendor. Also, if you're a regular reader of MPC, they had an article about Nvidia calling sour grapes on AMD locking down the consoles.

While I prefer Intel, I do realize AMD does have it's niche.

Generally I find things split between two paths:

-Gaming high budget=> Intel
lower budget=> AMD

-Video/photo rendering => AMD (EDIT: Though if you had the budget, an i7 would have better performance, but you can't beat the bang-for-your-threads AMD brings to the table)

Single core performance is better for gaming, while the threads are more important for video/photo rendering.

However, when building rigs for other people, especially those not technologically inclined, I tend to suggest AMD parts for their backward compatibilities. Also, in these cases, this is where the APU's tend to shine.

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briansun1

[/quote]PS4 is packing a 7850 equivalent [/quote]

so you are trying to tell me that the ps4 gpu is only one level below my desktop's gpu? complete BS

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husty73

hes not joking. the ps3 is much slower as far as sheer crunching power than even my 8 year old amd system with a measly geforce 8800. what you need to realize is that the ENTIRE console is basically a stand alone video card with a teensy simple operating system, not a complete motherboard with ram, gpu, video memory etc. if you were to get rid of all the stuff OS's make your system do in the background, and just play off of your 7800gtx, youd have something nearly identical to a ps3. beef that up to the ps4, our modern video cards trounce what sony needed as far as hardware requirements to make the ps4 a monster. its not the same thing.. look at it this way: chevy camaro drag car, blown v8, slicks, trac bars.. 8 second quarter mile.. next: honda civic, turbo 4cyl, slicks, track bars.. 8 second quarter mile.. the honda uses alot less power to get the same job done, because its not the same setup. both cars would smash you into the seat, both cars run the same times, but one needs much more power to accomplish that performance. same goes in electronics my friend

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iplayoneasy

12 threads vs 8 threads. I think AMD pulled this off nicely

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husty73

agreed, this chip is no slouch! its wish-listed on my newegg account!

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