10 Practical Reasons Not to Pirate

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Holockau5t

Explain where there's money being lost if these companies are still pushing out triple A games? If these directors are still pushing out billion dollar movies, and actors are still adopting babies from other countries like they have nothing better to do? Don't worry I'll wait...I don't think legalizing piracy is an option or say the RIGHT option but don't go after the people using it personally, go after the people profiting off piracy. In example, the megaupload scandal.

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graydiggy

Dude, there are plenty of software devs that compile code, develope games, programs, all kinds of stuff all for free. For fun. Have you ever heard of open source? Its all free. Your argument is invalid.

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interestinglyenough

"Lets say you're a software developer and I go and "copy" your latest work. By your definition, that's alright, right? Imagine a future where piracy is legal. Who the hell would write software codes if THEY DON'T GET PAID.

 

"Sometimes something is illegal because it actually makes sense to be illegal, give me a valid reason why they should legalize piracy considering it would quite frankly put hundreds of thousands of software developers out of work."

 

It's wrong to prosecute people because they pirate since it is impossible to determine whether they would have bought what they pirated if piracy was not an option. I want the government not to pass any legislation punishing pirates who are not selling what they have pirated. Most adults would still understand why it's better to buy something and the financial consequences of piracy, and would therefore buy stuff.

It's worked quite well so far. Piracy is very easy to do in the US; it's really easy to pirate and not get caught and yet, guess what, the US enjoys many more legal, affordable services and very low piracy rates.

And would you care to tell me how you would fight piracy?

By letting ISPs inspect all network traffic and therefore invading everyone's privacy?

By forcing ISPs to deny service to pirates and therefore deny them the RIGHT to purchase an internet connection?

By prosecuting pirates based on an entirely speculative damage to a company or individual?

"What do you mean? The point of your post was an extremely biased "piracy is alright". This isn't Robin Hood, you're stealing. An earlier poster at least tried to elaborated on how Bill Gates charges exorbitant fees for the use of their Windows 7 basic to justify their piracy, you're just saying "This shit costs too much"."

If you knew me you'd know I'm far from a supporter of Robin Hood. But piracy is NOT stealing. Get over it. It's a very simple distinction. 

 If x% people pirate it's because x% think a product is too expensive. The producers therefore have to lower prices in order to satisfy that % of people. It's the free market. Piracy is a tool that consumers have in the free market; nothing more, nothing less.

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hackmaster

while i do agree with the statement that being tracked down by your IP adress is an invasion of privacy, this whole ordeal is full of crap reggarding DRM. Basically, you are interpreting DMR to suit you. so wrong dude

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lordfirefox

"By forcing ISPs to deny service to pirates and therefore deny them the RIGHT to purchase an internet connection?"

 

I'm sorry but your use of the internet is not a "right" as you put it. It's a privledge. Read the agreement your ISP sends when you sign up. You are being given a privledged access to the internet that can be taken away at your ISP's descretion at any time.

 

And if you think I'm bullshitting read your ISP's agreement carefully.

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interestinglyenough

So you're saying the government has the right deny me the right to purchase a service based on the speculative loss that I might have caused to a corporation? I thought we lived in a free-market economy, not communism.

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OhSoCheesy

Amen brother phaseone.  Preach on!

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ironious

hear hear!

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Pablo54

Really?  People are actually attempting to explain away their theft of a product?  If you are not sure if you will like the game, research it, play the demo, read reviews then make an adult decision to purchase or not to purchase.  If you think it is overpriced, wait a year and buy it for 50% off (or more) at Steam. 

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interestinglyenough

Really? People are still making the mistake of calling piracy theft? If you don't know what theft means, open a dictionary.

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Pablo54

My point has been proven. It is not the academic argument of the wording or words used but rather something more akin to the spirit of the law.

 

A person can use any number of definitions in regards to the appropriate use of the terms Theft and Piracy – and you would be correct in their usage.  But, bottom line:  You took something that did not belong to you.  Ask yourself, What would your grandmother call it?  In legalese, Theft of Service might be a more accurate term but the result is the same.  You have something in your possession that is not yours and the owner did not give it to you. 

 

Next, lets argue what the meaning of the word 'is' is.

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interestinglyenough

"You took something that did not belong to you"

But that's wrong. You don't "take" anything when you pirate, you make a copy of something. You are not depriving the owner of anything, and it's impossible to prove that the pirate would have bought what they copied were piracy not to exist. 

I don't understand why you so adamantly protect ridiculous laws. Why do you stand for laws that try to limit what you can do with your own property? Because remember, for piracy to exist, there has to be someone who buys the product, and then distributes copies. 

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iceman08

Piracy, definition 3a

a : the unauthorized use of another's production, invention, or conception especially in infringement of a copyright.

 

That's Merriam-Webster online. I can break out my hardcover American Heritage dictionary, Second College Edition and show that it says similar.

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interestinglyenough

Merriam-Webster:

Theft

1 a : the act of stealing;  specifically   : the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it  b : an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property

 

No deprivation, no theft.

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iceman08

 b : an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property

 

according to the law, you're taking something without paying for it. You're also depriving a business a sale. if you weren't going to buy it anyways, why pirate it?

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interestinglyenough

You're not "taking" anything, you're making a copy of something.

You're not depriving a business of sale because it's impossible to know whether you would have bought what you pirated if piracy was impossible. There are many people who download movies or songs they wouldn't never otherwise bought, just out of curiosity or something (and that can lead to liking what you pirated and actually buying more stuff from that artist/producer etc.).

When you steal something, the business always loses because it's impossible to make up for the loss in supply without paying.

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iceman08

so since many people do it, that makes it right?

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interestinglyenough

No. It's right because:

 

1. It's impossible to say whether it causes economic damage to the producer; in fact, it can do the opposite. 

2. It forces corporations to provide better, low cost services; such as iTunes, Netflix etc. and lower prices.

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methuselah

More manipulation of the argument from you...  Wow.

 

1. Please provide your hard facts and data indicating that piracy does not cause economic damage.  In the meantime chew on this:

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/game_theory_satans_copy_protection_scheme

I particularly like this quote (speaking sarcastically) "Companies always spend millions of dollars and risk consumer anger on irritating and expensive loss-prevention schemes so they can prevent imaginary theft."

 

2.  No, competition forces corproations to provide better, low cost services.  Loss of a product actually does just the OPPOSITE.  Take the recent Thailand hard drive shortage or the Dell battery factory fire many years ago.  While these were not theft related, they were LOSS related and thus drives prices of H/D's and battery's up respectively.

If you need to see a theft related example, read this random news report I found on the internets.

http://www.wwaytv3.com/retail_theft_causes_price_increase/06/2007

 

In closing...  Your crap continue to speweth.

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homelessbob

 

look who's speaking of crap...methuselah...

 

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interestinglyenough

1. DRMs will only convince more people to pirate. Game developers will eventually have to drop it, as Ubisoft has done. Otherwise, their loss.

2. Have you actually read what I wrote? Let me explain it to you:

 

Harddrive shortage in Thailand = Supply of HDDs goes down = Prices go up

Piracy of a product = NO LOSS IN SUPPLY = Impossible to determine financial impact, only POTENTIAL loss IF and only IF pirates WOULD HAVE purchased the product if piracy was not possible = eventually company develops cheaper and better way to sell its product. Company makes profit, consumers are happy. E.g. Movie and Music streaming, Amazon Prime book lending, Steam etc.

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lordfirefox

Just because you think Piracy is different from Theft doesn't make it any less wrong.

And if you don't agree with that then I'm betting the DMCA will be happy to prove it.

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iceman08

so my pirating will convince developers that I need a better product at a cheaper cost?

I would assume that it means I have a hot product on my hands that people are willing to get any way possible, making me want to produce the same thing over and over again

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homelessbob

Good point...YES! if people can obtain a product cheaper or free the developer  will make it more affordable so as not to lose the sales. Case in point, nonlinear editing software wars. After Final cut came out at  a waaay lower price than media composer, avid lowered the price to thousands less. Then, after much trading of final cut between editors, final cut lowered  the price…

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interestinglyenough

Your product may or may not be good, some piracy is bound to be due to curiosity, but if there is a very high piracy rate it means that demand for your product is high; but so is the price. Most people who pirate would probably not buy your product anyway at that price, so the most inteligent solution is to lower the price, and profit from the higher number of customers.

Most Photoshop users for instances are pirates, because PS costs an arm and a leg. Amateurs and prosumres are not willing to settle with the watered-down "Express" versions; additionally new versions don't contain enough new features to them for what they cost.

If you look at piracy rates in the US, they are much lower than in most other developed countries. Why? Because services like Netflix, Amazon Prime, iTunes or Pandora do not exist in many other developed countries; plus there are US-exclusive educational discounts on software, and most schools provide students with free copies of Windows and Office.

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iceman08

I'm not looking at other countries; I'm looking at mine, USA. If you live/are from another country where the rules are different, then there's no need to continue this argument.

but if you live/are from USA, then forget the first three sentences of your last paragraph up to the semicolon. Other countries may pirate because they don't have the services we have, so why do we? Granted, some piracy is due to curiosity, but you can't tell me that people are wondering if Crysis is a good game or not. There's reviews by gaming sites, reviews by players, videos on youtube, plot summary on wikipedia, metacritic, etc. Spore was a heavily pirated game, was it really that expensive at launch? Why are indie games pirated as well? are tehy charging so much? Photoshop: a power user tends to know what exactly is new in the latest release. It doesn't mean they won't pirate it; but they should be willing to pay for a product they rely heavily on. If they don't want the watered down version, then maybe pony up the cash for it or find freeware, which has to exist somewhere.

I guess it really comes down to an integrity issue. I used to pirate, but I had to make a personal decision as to whether or not I wanted to continue pirating. Haven't really regretted it. People do as they please, and if you don't lose sleep over it or regret doing it, peace be with you.

Also, those "free" copies of Windows and Office? schools have to pay a license for those.

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interestinglyenough

"I'm not looking at other countries; I'm looking at mine, USA. If you live/are from another country where the rules are different, then there's no need to continue this argument."

You missed the point. The US was, just a few years ago, in the same situation as those other countries. It is piracy which made things better and will continue to lead to innovation in the future.

"Other countries may pirate because they don't have the services we have, so why do we?"

Because a lot of people believe some things are overpriced. Like $60 for a game, $40 for a DVD or $15 for a digital book.

 

"Granted, some piracy is due to curiosity, but you can't tell me that people are wondering if Crysis is a good game or not."

For a lot of people it's too expensive. Which means they wouldn't be able to afford it anyway. 

"There's reviews by gaming sites, reviews by players, videos on youtube, plot summary on wikipedia, metacritic, etc. Spore was a heavily pirated game, was it really that expensive at launch? Why are indie games pirated as well? are tehy charging so much? "

That's curiosity right there. Plus playing a game is different than reading reviews or watching videos. My point is, a lot of people would never buy the games they pirate. I have pirated games just because I was bored. Would I have ever bought them? Hell no, I'd rather find something else to do.

"Photoshop: a power user tends to know what exactly is new in the latest release. It doesn't mean they won't pirate it; but they should be willing to pay for a product they rely heavily on."

I agree. If you make money using PS, you should pay for it. I was talking about amateurs and prosumers. I believe most professional retouchers do not pirate. But as long as you don't profit from what you pirate, it's fine.

"If they don't want the watered down version, then maybe pony up the cash for it or find freeware, which has to exist somewhere."

Amateurs and prosumers don't have thousands of dollars to throw away for a piece of software they are going to use rarely. They don't want to settle down for less, and If you can get Photoshop for free, which you are never going to pay for anyway, what's the problem? What if you learn to use Photoshop, become a professional, and eventually buy the software? That will benefit Adobe.

"I guess it really comes down to an integrity issue. I used to pirate, but I had to make a personal decision as to whether or not I wanted to continue pirating. Haven't really regretted it. People do as they please, and if you don't lose sleep over it or regret doing it, peace be with you."
I don't really pirate any more either. I don't need to, I can afford to buy stuff now. But you know what, I assure you there is a lot of stuff I would not buy today were it not for piracy, in fact I have discovered new hobbies (which I pay for) through piracy. That's all thanks to the piracy I was involved in when I was younger."Also, those "free" copies of Windows and Office? schools have to pay a license for those"They get special discounts though.

 

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godsdog

Just tell this assholes that they should keep paying over inflate prices for the software, music and movies they buy. That just shows how stupid and small their minds are. i'm not from the US ( and i'm very happy that i'm not) but as always americans can only think that the world is the USA.

Some years ago a Brasilian movie got more money that they could ever dream because pirates made it known to the rest of the world.

 

I have seen pirated movies coming out 1 year before they come to the big screen in my country, so that's their loss. If i cant copy a movie, i want a dvd of the movie that i payed to see in the cinema when i walk out.

 

Most of you are to dumb to see that the world have changed and that the old business models wont survive.

 

I just wonder how many people are using firefox or chrome to view this page... remember netscape.

Next big business will try to end free soft because its hurting sales, like Internet explorer did...

 

Grow up losers....

 

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homelessbob

all good points g-dog...it can increase sale of a product because it is advertising/publicity for it, plus people will then go buy it for all the bells and whistles you cant get by downloading....and yes, unfortunately we Americans are too narrow minded to see beyond our borders, that why our government had brought so much death and suffering to so much of the world...because most Americans dont even know the reality...its really sad...the citizenry who has the most opportunity to become educated is the most ignorant one...really sad...

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methuselah

By your logic if I rob a bank, steal 1,000,000 and start a business with it, hire some people and then place place my money in the same bank I stole from....  Well, then it benefits the bank!

 

Asanine

 

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interestinglyenough

You are equating piracy with theft, which is laughable.

 

When you rob a bank, you deprive the bank of money.

When you pirate something, you are making a copy of a product which you might have never bought if piracy was not possible.

 

Big difference.

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newegg911

Will people stop with the "pirating is the same thing as walking in to a storing and stealing something" routine. I agree that pirating is often wrong, but that's just insulting.

 

I used to pirate a lot I admit, but I personally think it's just better to boycott crap software unless it's something that I'm basically forced to use (sorry can't justify paying the insane price for Photoshop the five minutes a month I use it).

For example, Rage is a game I would have gladly payed for if it didn't turn out to be a flaming turd, but because it was, I'd rather just not buy it and leave it to go in the corner and die like it should.

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methuselah

Tell you what, if you can support your argument instead of simply commenting with no basis then I will listen.  Otherwise, you're still spewing the same crap, trying to justify pirating isn't stealing.

So RAGE was a flaming turd you say?  OK fine.  DON'T BUY IT!

Wanna play it anyway?  OK, DOWNLOAD THE DEMO!

No demo available?  THEN YOU DON'T PLAY!

If the developer loses a sale because they don't have a demo or the game is crap then you just don't play it!

Ever buy a CD (or song) and it sucked?

Ever watch a movie or buy a DVD and it sucked?

Yup, it happens brother, suck it up and deal with it.

Crappy games don't justify your excuse to steal.

 

 

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methuselah

I love it how people come here and justify stealing.  Giving silly reasons "I'm not gonna line exec's pockets", "Well, pfft I don't use tech support anyway", and "You probably won't get caught"

Seriously?  Do you people listen to your own words or do you just see the crap spewing forth from your mouth? (or in this case your hands)

Would you walk into your local "Fry's electronics" and walk out with a copy of Skyrim without paying for it?

Then what makes you think you can do it on pirate bay?

 

No matter how you attempt to justify it, pirating is just plain WRONG!  Holy crap people if your're gonna do something then at least "be a man" and own up to your actions instead of trying to explain away theft.

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Wonko33

Blah blah blah and this is why I pirate BS. Every single excuse people have for pirating is a reason not to buy and not to play a game. Not a reason to steal it. A pirate's sense of entitlement that he should be allowed to play any game is ridiculous, if you don't like something for any reason then don't buy it, but that doesn't mean you can have it for free.

 As we move to a digital good market, it is funny to see how many people think it's not stealing because you did not take a physical object.

Ford makes shitty cars so I steal them instead of buying them, now how much sense does that make? Wait for reviews try the demo if there is one available, decide if it's worth the money.

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unsunghero225

There's a faily simple reason as to why I prefer to pirate instead of pay, and thats because I'd rather not support the greedy corporate scum that populates the upper levels of the stores at which I'd buy the games. 

Personally, I have no problem what-so-ever supporting the developers of the games, I know what it's like because I've developed a few things myself (not on the grand scale of games that you see in stores, but non the less i know a little about the frustration and time it takes).

If I could, I'd give my $60 to the actual people who put in the hard time to create the games... unfortunately, big business likes to reap the reward for not doing s**t....

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Wonko33

yeah, yeah and you give all the money you save to charity instead, you're a wonderful man.

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Drewnami

Except giving them a paycheck and the resources to do their jobs. Two wrongs don't make a right, though.

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Drewnami

I can only really justify it if it's out of print and not for sale - sort of a "keep circulating the tapes" so that it's not forgotten. I'd pay if they'd let me.

Otherwise, all I really see is entitlement and hypocrisy. "Information should be free! ...just not ours. Make sure They don't get their hands on our information! Because that's dangerous and not fair, and they don't have a right to it!"

We don't have a right to take what we want - excuse me, acquire our own copy of what we want - without paying. We're not entitled to it. It's a luxury item and you can easily go without. You don't have to have the latest album, movie or game.

I'm between jobs right now, living with a parent, and pretty much have $20 or so given to me monthly to cover non-essentials. Suits me just fine; I'll bargain-hunt, find the latest indie-bundle out there, grab one of the $5 albums from Amazon (or just listen to a streaming service like Spotify) and all is well.

Does it mean I'm behind the curve? Sure. But I'm okay with that. When I have the money, I'll get the latest gadgets and software. Otherwise, I'll do without.

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HeartBurnKid

To be totally honest, I see DRM as a reason to pirate, not a reason not to.  And as far as stability goes, when I used to pirate, I would often find that the pirated version was more stable than the original, due to the removal of DRM software.  Seriously, that shit is buggy and horrid.

And if you really think DRM is used to stop piracy, you're a goddamn fool.  If it was, it would have been abandoned long ago as the single most ineffective thing ever.  The fact that we can even have this conversation is proof enough of that.

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PC guy99

The author of this article is pulling stuff out of his ass. Sharing sites save money for those wanting to try out something before buying it.

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Architek9

This whole article is crap.
I use linux so viruses and malware are out of the question.
and if your pirating old software theres a 98% chance your wouldnt get support if you bought the game anyways.

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muramasa451

There are times, when Steam has some mighty sales.  Where it almost feels like you are stealing.  $5 for Brink, the same for Borderlands.  Piracy is a bad.  You hope they wont take things, but their nature says they will.  There is a middle ground for everything.

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igoka

To everyone who justifies stealing , yes stealing , not pirating. You Guys Are Spoiled .

What woud you do if there wouldn't be cracked game on the internet available ? I mean there are some people who doing it , talented people though.  The answer is you would buy , period.

In my point of view we pay for enertainment . We don't own games . We have rights only to play and be entertained.

Entertainment value is what we pay when we watch DVD , go to the movie , Disneyland etc. Personally I don't have any problem with it . I bought BF3 and I already played for like 20 hours and will come back playing , the same goes with L4D 2 . Lol i just looked at my stats for  L4D 2 . My god I played this game for freaking 620 hours .

To make a game you have to have skills and education and you have rights to expect good payment ( we are all  human being for a god sake ) .

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chaseisgame

I can't speak for anyone else but in my personal pirating experiences, I've only pirated things that I wouldn't have bought or couldn't afford. I have also pirated a game that I had previously paid for but let a friend borrow it before I installed it. I have only ever pirated a few items and one application I am now going to buy the full retail versioun

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ironious

"I am now going to buy the full retail versioun" Paranoid much?

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voss451

I have to admit, I downloaded COD Black Ops but a) I don't play online, b) I still haven't finished it (and don't plan to) and c) It's a bit of a waste paying $60 for a game that can be finished in just a few hours and will probably never play again. Perhaps if they sold them as a download in online or single player only version for $30, then for those who want one but not the other won't feel so ripped off (yes, I'm aware you can always try demo versions but not all games have demos to try).

As far as movies go, if the movie industry started to make ACTUAL movies again instead of re-boots, re-makes and (basically) clones of other successful movies, perhaps people might feel that paying $15 to go & see it in the theater might not be so bad. As for DVDs, whe you download, you don't get commentary tracks, docs & all that fun stuff. So, if I find a movie that I like and it comes in a multiple disc set with a ton of extras, I'll buy it in a heart beat.

In a nutshell, yes it's bad for the industry when people illegally download movies, programs, etc.. but at the same time, the industry shouldn't be charging so much for things they basically churned out to make a buck. ie: Capcom has released 3 or 4 versions of Street Fighter 4 in about 2 years charging $40 - $60 a pop. To me, why not make the new changes available as DLC for those that already bought it rather than gouging the consumer out of $60 for a couple of tweaks.

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Draconian

Clever article.  Start with "you shouldn't pirate cuz you might get a virus or something" and end the article with "THIEF!  SHAME ON YOU."  Had to slip the moral argument in there at the end, eh?

The biggest reason why you shouldn't pirate software is because it is indeed killing the PC games industry.  With music and movies, they're both mainstream enough that they can survive piracy.  But PC gaming can't.  It's a niche industry, even moreso now that it's being replaced by console games and Facebook games.

Pirates gotta understand that PC gaming isn't a charity.  Games are being made to turn a profit.  If you take that profit away, then developers will move onto something that actually IS profitable (namely console games).  Everybody has a right to make money.

With that said, I do think that if the piracy issue is going to be about developers not getting paid, then we should also have a discussion about the used video games market for consoles.  Because, from a developer revenue standpoint, piracy and secondhand games are essentially the same thing.  But of course, the difference is that few people would argue that buying used console games constitutes "stealing."  But essentially it is.

It's an issue now but eventually it becomes moot as digital distribution takes over.  10 years from now, we'll all have 100 Mbps connections, and we'll be able to download entire games in less than an hour, or stream them instantly with a service like OnLive.

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phaseone

Its not slipped in at the end as in least of the reasons. Its illegal to pirate software, we call it stealing and not only is it wrong, in this case it is against the law.

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iceman08

Devs already have a new feature for the used console game market-pay $10 for an online access code or experience codes

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