What is a PC?

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MaximumMike

But Linux doesn't have DOS. So, a PC running Linux wouldn't be a PC? Or did you really mean it needs to have a console, as opposed to DOS?

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Zstreek

Dude, you take yourself a little too serious. The article is interesting. You ask, "why put all these strict definitions of what a PC is?" There are lots of good answers. 1) As the article points out, it is interesting just to think about the way we look at the personal computer world. 2) The categories are meaningful in the way we define markets and products. 3) Having consistent, understandable, and definable terms is always important.

I could go on, but I think everyone but you got the point. Go have a beer and relax man.

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davelray

Can't drink beer, but I did have a nice cup of hot chocolate. Sorry if I sounded too serious, didn't mean to come across that way.

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jphoto

If it's no good for content creation, it's not a PC. Tablets are horrible at actually creating anything, from a proper e-mail to transcoding audio, manipulating images with any degree of control, doing serious spreadsheets, etc.

Tablets are for passively consuming content.

I don't get the confusion. Analysts are like managers who don't know anything about the work their department does.

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Nastyman

Gordon,

The fact that UEFi's will prevent you from installing Linux would make a great article for someone on the Max Pc staff to write about. You should post the manufactures that are using this practice and what boards out there in the present and future that have this implemented so we wouldn't buy them. Keep a persistent list on your home page in the form of a button to open the list of bad guys. Maybe this will give them (the manufactures) second thoughts about building a walled garden for Microsoft....what do you think?

Nasty

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Renegade Knight

I just did a little homework on UEFI's last night. By themselves they are not a problem. They are just an updated version of the BIOS. Secure Boot can be a part of the spec and when it is...That's where you can bump into a problem.

That said. I have a Thinkpad W520 and can't get Linux to boot. I don't have Secure Boot and the issue could be an UEFI type setting. I can get Linux to boot from a Live CD/USB though.

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davelray

I have two desktop computers and a laptop that all use UEFI. I can and have installed Linux to all of them. UEFI does not restrict you to any particular operating system. What you are referring to is actually a feature that can be put into UEFI called SecureBoot. Which can be disabled by the user with the exception of WindowsRT tablets. Android tablets and Apple iPad tablets use similar method of locking the boot loader for obvious reasons. Stop spreading the garbage man and at least research and understand what you are talking about.

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tony2tonez

I think the PC is something more personal to the enthusiasts. We like to feel and change parts as technology improves. Its a term that holds more meaning to the beholder than some marketing campaign. Its a bond that we have built since tearing apart and rebuilding our first x86 system.

I feel we are much like the older car enthusiasts who are in love with old American muscle cars because we can equate such bonds. And while a hybrid is much as a car and tablets are 'new PC'.
The term and meaning will never change to us enthusiasts.

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tony2tonez

I think the PC is something more personal to the enthusiasts. We like to feel and change parts as technology improves. Its a term that holds more meaning to the beholder than some marketing campaign. Its a bond that we have built since tearing apart and rebuilding our first x86 system.

I feel we are much like the older car enthusiasts who are in love with old American muscle cars because we can equate such bonds. And while a hybrid is much as a car and tablets are 'new PC'.
The term and meaning will never change to us enthusiasts.

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lindethier

I think that is exactly right.

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AFDozerman

Damn. You hit that nail right on the head.

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tony2tonez

Thanks, i even felt a tear build up in my right eye. =)

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AFDozerman

Ha! I was about to write a comment about nostalgic tears, but changed my mind last minute.

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limitbreaker

I dont think Muscles cars are a good example, They're only good at going in straight lines. My pc is more like a Mercedes SLR :P

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Renegade Knight

Old muscle cars yes. New muscle cars can actually turn corners and beat the snot out of a Mercedes. Not that the Mercedes is a slouch.

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tony2tonez

I like some of the cars of today. But to really get the feel of the car, there is nothing like working on a muscle car and tweaking out a few extra HP. Just like building a full size system. With liquid cooling and ramping up GHz just because we say so.

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