Murphy's Law: Microsoft's Restrictive Netbook Rules

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einstein1971

Myurphy, I knew you wouldn't admit it when Microsoft listened so here's the link to the article where they have reversed the Starter Edition limits and also say that 7 Ultminate will work with Netbooks

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30374199/

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einstein1971

Look, I realize that this is an emotional issue for you (I can already see you in your Xena Warrior outfit doing that war chant) but let's jump on the logic train for a moment shall we:

1. Netbooks are not intended to Desktop replacements but light weight computing devices for web, email, and some document creation (ie Word, Powerpoint, and Excel)

2. Netbooks lack the power to run a modern OS at full speed (ask Gordon, their crap for video encoding, photo editing, etc.) but they are great long lasting devices for general purpose uses

3. Microsoft took a bullet in the past for Intel and Nvidia and lowered the requirements and it really back fired for all involved: consumers, OEMs, etc.  MaximumPC took great pride in hammering Microsoft over this fact.  What Microsoft is doing is one providing you the opportunity to buy only what you want and need (instead of leather seats for a Pinto) but a path to upgrading as required (remember this OS option is CHEAPER--I think you failed to mention that point) plus protecting the consumer from OEMs selling systmes that are under powered for the OS installed (I'm running Win7 on a Dell Netbook and it rocks).

4. I get you prefer Linux but even Linux has minimum requirements to run all the eye candy, etc. (hey, MPCs guide on Linux is fantastic by the way) and Apple is all but lying when they claim you can't run Mac OSX on a Netbook when MPC clearly demonstrated that you can.

5. If you really feel this is too restrict exercise the power of the Market and just don't purchase a Netbook with Linux (now might be a good time to predict that this is the year of Linux)

6. By the way, Apple makes Microsoft look pretty good when it comes to silly controls (iPhone Apps and those restrictions are a bit too Commie for my taste) and for those OEMs that do use Linux I'm sure they remember the time Cisco had to contribute code back to the GPL after the OSS lawyers went after them

So hey, there are recommendations from Microsoft and call it lessons learned. 

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Tagge

Wow, Microsoft being a bully and stifling a PC market, who would've thoght? *gasps*

NOBODY should be able to tell you what a piece of software you legally purchased can and can't be used on. As long as you're not pirating it, it shouldn't be any of their business.

Just makes me all the more pleased w/ using Linux on my netbook.... and my desktop... and my MythTV machine... and my router... and my wireless AP... and my NAS. Microsoft is doing very little to win back over customers from their absolute failure that is Vista. Frankly between this and the fact that Windows 7 will inheriently give Microsoft the ability to shutdown my machine at a wim? I'll be sticking w/ Linux, MS can stuff their software where the sun doesn't shine.

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Taqueed

The restriction should be Windows Starter can not be used on anything with a screen size larger than 10.5 or a proc faster than 2g. I can see some companies trying to cut corners and selling notebooks with half a brain.

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MeTo

Why should i not beable to have 12" screen i am old and it helps me to see it better?

Why should i be limeted when 3gig cpu could run without struggiling so it would last longer.

All they are doing is trying to force people to buy high price laptop's that lost 20% of the market when netbook's came out. They had meetings and said what can we do to get people to buy our money making laptops.

Linux Mint,Duel boot/Vista,AMD Athlon+ x2 5600,3 Gig ram,500 Gig HDD,ATI 1300 Video.

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MeTo

This site is multi posting

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Taqueed

The restriction should be Windows Starter can not be used on anything with a screen size larger than 10.5 or a proc faster than 2g. I can see some companies trying to cut corners and selling notebooks with half a brain.

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Taqueed

The restriction should be Windows Starter can not be used on anything with a screen size larger than 10.5 or a proc faster than 2g. I can see some companies trying to cut corners and selling notebooks with half a brain.

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GFC

I actually think what they're doing is at least reasonable, i mean really, they don't get ANYTHING from the starter, you don't get anything either ^^. No more powerful netbooks with lousy OS? omg, noo!!! world is coming to an end!!!

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daveg

FYI, there aren't really any rules for downloading, using, or even modifying open source software.  It's all fair game until you decide to distribute a modified version of the software.  That's when the rules kick in. :)

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almax

So instead of wondering why someone would buy the modern day equivalent of a YUGO,  there is actually concern regarding its limited options package??

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rob41

This is just the kind of business practice that turns off so many people to Microsoft (aka the "We say so Corp").

 

Although I much prefer Microsoft to any of the altenatives, I'm happy to see that the dissatisfaction with that arrogant bully is increasing every day.

 

Does MS even realize they are their own worst enemy and that's the primary reason market shares of OSX and Linux are increasing?

 

MS worries about their adverising campaigne against Mac when they should be concerned with there pricing and policy structures.

 

Oh well, maybe MS will eventually get "bailed out" by our govt.

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Sokkratez

Guys, if nothing happens when you try to install this on an over-specc'd machine, they're GUIDELINES not RESTRICTIONS. They're for OEMs (as you mentioned) so that they don't put the Starter edition on machines that can handle more and should have Home Premium or something on it instead.

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winmaster

Does anybody actually want Windows 7 starter edition? Didn't think so.

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bingojubes

at least that would help buyers of those netbooks make sure they are getting what they paid for. i think it was awhile back when people were complaining they couldn't run Aero on their laptops, even when it said on the sticker it could, because of the lacking laptop hardware. i am sure MS doesnt wanna make that mistake again and mislead people. so in an attempt to make it visually appealing, maybe this is a good step to take?

in that case, i'm not sure about the less than or equal to 2GHz. guess that's how fast those netbooks go, i guess.

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Defiant

This honestly doesn't seem that bad to me? Whats the problem, your getting windows regardless and there is freeware to compensate for any missing features.

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TheMurph

You don't see a problem with Microsoft saying "Sorry, netbooks must exist under this size and specification, or else we won't license Windows for them?"

That's like me saying "Sorry, I don't think that your Core i7 machine should be able to run Steam.  You'll have to buy the Steam i7 upgrade before you're allowed to play with your friends."

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mesiah

I think you are getting a little over excited on this one murph. I don't see this having any real effect on the progressoin of netbooks. If you buy a cheap netbook its going to fall under the requirements for the windows 7 starter edition oem license. But if you are buying a high end netbook, with or without the restrictions from microsoft, most manufacturers aren't going to stick you with the locked down windows 7 starter edition. Just like most manufacturers today don't stick their consumers with windows home basic. Even $300 emachines are comming with home premium. The fact that you are willing to shell out for a bigger badder netbook already shows the manufacturer that you are also willing to shell out for a bigger badder windows, and that sticking you with windows 7 starter edition would be a servere disservice to the power user interested in a high performance netbook. One that would be sorely remembered the next time that user went shopping for an upgrade.

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TheMurph

And what about when Microsoft says "Sorry, but only the following criteria of netbooks are allowed to run any version of Windows 7?"

That's exactly what they're doing with XP and Vista right now.

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mesiah

I must have missed something. From what I read microsoft didn't say manufacturers can not run the software if they didn't meet requirements, only that they would not get the deep discount that they give to traditional netbooks. Since they dont advertise how much of a discount there is for netbooks as aposed to the normal manufacturer discount for a PC, I can't say how big of a hit manufacturers would take, but paying more for an upgraded OS shouldn't be a problem if they are already trying to market a higher end netbook. The whole reason for microsoft doing this is to stop manufacturers from flooding the PC market with cheap junk netbooks and nettops disguised as a standard pc or laptop. If manufacturers want to do that, they are going to have to use linux, or intels new OS.

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TheMurph

"Microsoft has settled on a 12.1-inch maximum screen size for Windows XP and Windows Vista-based OEM netbooks. The storage capacity limit for netbooks with hard drives sits at 160 GB, nearly two-thirds less than those for Windows 7 netbooks. Solid-state drives cannot run any larger than 32 GB. The same processor restrictions are in place as before--single-core CPUs running at a frequency of 1 GHz or less--although Microsoft has carved out a number of exceptions to the rule (including a swath of Intel Atom processors). Touchscreen netbooks are alright so long as they only operate using resistive touch technologies."

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theplustwo

I agree. If you're buying a higher-end netbook (with a screen over 10 inches and a processor faster than 2ghz) you're in the "high end" of the product spectrum, and probably want to be running a full-fledged version of Windows anyway.

Also, they're removing the 3 app limit for Windows 7 Starter.

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blaklafter

"The more you tighten your grip... the more star systems will slip through your fingers."

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dc10ten

i hope this pushes them to use linux more

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Denis63

One step forward, two steps back, eh?       -Denis

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