Hard Case: What Windows 7 Really Means for Microsoft

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rcolbeck

For those who are pi$$ed at Win 7 for removing the old features we have come to know and love. This is a happy solution to getting a quick launch bar back so we do not have to press shift and click on the pin to open a new instance of app if one app is already running or clicking the middle button.

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/w7itproui/thread/2589a0cc-98e5-4816-a9dd-f52bee711088?prof=required&wa=wsignin1.0

For me, to get Xp/Vista taskbar back I followed the instructions in the link and then I unpinned all the apps from my taskbar and go to properties to select "never combine". Behold I got the old taskbar back. However, the apps will still oragnize apps together not by the order of opened apps.

For example, if I opened IE, then X app, then another IE. It will show IE, IE, X instead of IE, X, IE.. I guess I can live with that...

As for other people who think that we are nothing but complainers, you can see that on MS forums, alot of ppl are pi$$ed and are requesting Win 7 to provide option to enable classic taskbar, etc.

Now on to fixing these $tupid folder sharing issues.

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sp991

Great to see your articles again.  I've missed them since extreme tech imploded.

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BlazePC

The  con·trar·i·an trolls on  this site have gotten pretty bad lately. 

Sheeesh! 

What gives?

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Furien

I think you could argue that real innovation with Windows started slowing even back at Win 95... maybe even earlier, but I'll limit myself to the versions I had the most experience with.  Yeah, 98 was slightly better, 2000 was as well, ME was God AWFUL though, and thankfully XP was better than anything previous, but none of those updates had features that I recall fundamentally changing my computing experience.

Fast forward from XP to Vista... a LOOOONG fast forward at that... and other than changing things behind the scenes and forcing people to upgrade their computer for the first time in nearly a decade so they could turn on some completely superfluous graphical bells and whistles, you still haven't done much of anything to change the every day computing experience in a fundamentally positive way.

The thing that "killed" Vista was the realization of just that, coupled with the fact that it was audacious enough to give you some headaches that you never had with "good ole' XP" which you had been using pretty much exclusively for... how long was it again?  Basically Microsoft got you too used to one platform (XP), and waited too long to release the next one so that any changes they made, even if they weren't as horrible as some would have you believe, were still inconveniences that were compounded based on the fact that it had been so damn long since we had to "learn" anything new.  No one wants to take a step backward, even if it just "feels" like it.

Now, I haven't been able to play with the Holy Grail that some call Windows 7, but based on everything I've seen, read, heard, whatever... I don't believe it's even going to come close to transforming my every day computing experience in a fundamentaly positive way.  I'll definitely take a small step forward as opposed to a step in the opposite direction, or no step at all, so I think Loyd is right... but I think Microsoft has been missing opportunities for far longer than just between XP and now.  But isn't that what always ends up happening when you're essentially a monopoly though?

 

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JIFF

Stupid ideas like the browser ballot would not allow MS to merge the live addons

I can see how nvidia helped bring down Vista's reputation with their lousy initial drivers, but most netizen use the computer for netbook tasks, they are ok without gpus

 

I built a computer with vista on mind but SP1 took a long time and XP was doing everything I needed so I decided to wait for this release

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mrvander

Look at all these comments about Vista - in a Windows 7 article. That is exactly the point of this piece - Windows 7 is good enough to stand on its own merits. Instead, it's already been relegated to "This is Vista fixed/service pack/should have been" etc.

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darkstar09

But I LOVED it! Vista SP1 ran beautifully on my laptop. I loved Aero and all the other features.

But I reecently upgraded to 7 and I see almost no performance increases? The bootup is maybe 5sec faster though.

So when people say that windows 7 is what vista should have been, I really disagree. I think 7 should have had some really amazing new upgrades but it was just a slimmed down, revamped vista. Not an OS upgrade.

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Fiercedeity

Hmm... I have to say I am a bit dissapointed with this article. You spend many paragraphs on XP and Vista's history, but you don't get into the meat of your article until the second to last paragraph (explaining why Windows 7 is a missed opportunity). It feels like that should have been the meat of the article, but it feels more like a footnote. I can't really say that I've taken away anthing useful or insightful.

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wicked72

I have been running vista since it came out,  ( way better than XP64 ) and stil use Vista64, other than having to replace my old printer, I have no problems with it.

most of the troubles are made by ppl runnig "New Software" on old hardware. when box stores sell a pc with vista with a slow cpu and 512ram, yes vista does suck, for those who remember XP has same troubles, ppl were upgrading there 98 system up to XP.

So Mirosoft is always to blame, Im glad to see an OS that will use more of my hardware

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johnny3144

vista is better than XP. period. like every piece of software out there, it's not gonna be perfect. and it's not gonna always be compatible with everything. Vista included many improvement over XP. it makes life so much easier(especially with networking between vista to vista, compared to XP to XP).  i run vista since it was released and i rarely have issues with it, and ironically XP gives me all the headach.

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darkstar09

If you meet the hardware requirements Vista is awesome.

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rcolbeck

Been a long time XP user. I supported users with Vista but never had it myself. Now I took the leap to Windows 7.. There is alot of features that pi$$ed me off.

-I hate the combined quick launch buttons. I am a person with tons of open applications, and with combined buttons, it slowed me down considerable to get to the specific IE page I want to go to. Uncombining the quick launch buttons makes the taskbar uglier.. WHY COMBINE THEM? Widescreen monitors is standard, we have plenty of space on our taskbar!!

-I'm pi$$ed that I have to right click on the quick launch buttons to OPEN A NEW APP if one is already open. It wastes my time. - 2 clicks instead of one click in XP. PLEASE tell me that there is a way to get back the old quick launch bar in XP and Vista. 

Minizimg MSN is a hassle, because to open them again, I had to click on MSN taskbar then choose MSN. I like the old way. Were it goes into the notification area.

-They broken the status bar. I enabled status bar for windows explorer, but it shows NOTHING!!! I like how XP shows total MB size of your folder on the status bar and the remaining HDD space. Beautiful.. I have TBs of data, I need info like that. Also recycle bin doesnt show total size of all files in the bin. I tried selecting all and click properties and it doesnt work. How the hell do I know how much space is being used up in the recycle bin? I dont want to go to disk clean up to see the full size of what is in the recycle bin. I dont care for hovering on each folder to see how much is inside. I WANT total size on the status bar.

-I have 2 TB worth of files while installing windows 7 on the OS HDD. Now, I have to be administrator to delete any files that were saved while under Windows XP, even though the user name remained the same. This produces two clicks to delete a file instead of 1 click. (New files is one click).

-Beside homegroups, file sharing is much more harder now. I tried to share a folder that was previously shared in XP. Other computer cannot see it, even with specific location (\\192.168.1.105). I am still unable to get it to work properly. Also, it pi$$ed me off that the folder doesnt show any indication that it is being shared. I have to click on it and look at the information below to see that it is shared. Suppose I have 100 folders and I have to click on each one to see if it is being shared or not.

If Micro$oft fixed these issues, I may consider Windows 7 as a leap forward. But at this moment, it is a leap backwards..

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snapple00

Simple solutions to those problems. You are the typical complainer who would rather complain about something than try to fix it.

Why don't you stick with XP? You are obviously not ready to learn something a bit newer.

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rcolbeck

There is no solutions to these problems. I am a long time IT support technician. I know my stuff and I read the manuals, etc. I google for solutions. The ones I list are the ones I cannot solve or the ones that is completely removed from 7.

I tried to fix the shared folder issue by changing the folder icon to show that it is being shared. I am unable to do so. I like how older OSes show hand wrapping over the folders to indicate that it is being shared.

Feel free to provide solutions that you say is so easy.

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snapple00

Funny how all these 'problems' you speak of aren't problems at all. They are design changes that don't need 'fixes'.

However, you can indeed change a lot of these things but will require knowledge above an IT support technician. But you probably already knew this, and just needed to find something to complain about.

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Zazubovich

but increase work load (number of clicks, etc.) are FAIL.  And your comments are not only sphinctery, they are counterproductive and ignorant because you don't propose any alternative solutions. 

Microsoft's new design trend of trying to more closely emulate Apple user interfaces are a big FAIL, in my opinion, because they have spent 20 years training users to do things a certain way, and now they are making important functions less visible and less transparent.

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Fiercedeity

I've experienced a few of the op's problems myself, especially the one about not seeing the size of files in the status bar... that is really annoying. The shared folder issue is also an important.

What are the fixes for this that you speak of?

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snapple00

"This all means is that Windows 7 essentially exists to clean up the mess left by Windows Vista."

I guess I will just never understand this statement. What mess? Vista runs great for me, and it seems a lot quicker and definately smoother than XP was, not to mention it will run every one of my old XP programs. The only people I hear complain about it are the people that have no idea what they are doing, or people that don't even use Windows.

Win 7 is great too. In fact, I don't think I've had a problem with any of MS's operating systems.

 

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Fiercedeity

"The only people I hear complain about it are the people that have no
idea what they are doing, or people that don't even use Windows."

Well that would be a mess in itself. The experience of using an OS should be seamless to a user regardless of their technical knowledge. If a user has to struggle to do anyting really, that is a sign of poor design. Vista had that in spades. Though, honestly, I don't think XP was much different. It was designed poorly too. People were just used to XP and Vista changed many things around.  I think Win 7 alleaviates many of those issues. Heck, when I first installed Win 7, I didn't have to install a single driver for any of my devices. They just worked. That was certainly not the case for XP or Vista, in my experience.

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MeTo

If Microsoft wanted to WIN back there customer trust they would give a free copy of Win 7 to everybody that bought Vista or a Vista PC if they want it. Sure Vista is better than it was at launch but it still has it's hiccups a few IMHO. I will not buy Win 7 to fix whats broke in Vista.

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win7fanboi

I kinda agree except doing that would be admitting that they botched vista... and for all those who say vista is way better than xp then I guess you are not a power user.... after sp2 vista is usable IMO. I have two Vista Ultimate copies that I have not used. From XP > 7 ... Not to mention as apps/drivers start getting optimized for Win7 the performance will get better. 150$ price range DirectX 11 video cards have already started to enter the market ... will be a good holiday season for a pc owner... and retailer.

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Modred189

... so you will stick with what you consider to be a 'broken' OS? 

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MeTo

I will stick with Vista I have been playing the upgrade game since Win 3.1/95 A,B,C/98/98 SE/ME/XP/SP1,SP2,SP3/Vista/SP1,SP2 and all the incremental updates im done. I will stretch Vista out as long as i can. The "BUCK" stops here.

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Modred189

There are worse places for it to stop, that's for sure.

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nHeroGo

Don't be so negative, man! You are misdiagnosing the problem. You know that if Microsoft would ship Win7 with Live they would get another billion dollar lawsuit on their hands. It's not a missed opportunity.

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Fiercedeity

I do think, however, it should be more apparent to the user that Window's Live is available, and what they need to do to get it. I could only find a few references to it in the OS and only when I was looking for them. On the other hand, I wouldn't want my OS to be an advertisement for MS software. I just think that since people are gonna miss all those features, more efforts need to be made to let the user know how to get it back.

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Modred189

I have to agree. I think that the Live components are separate in order to keep a low-profile, and even as a good-faith effort toward the EU, considering their craziness around IE. 

At this rate, it will be too expensive to sell windows in the EU... 

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