Future Tense: Alan, We Hardly Knew Ye

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Black Lable 69

Unfortunatly History is full of people around the globe who have contributed good deeds in some form or another without recognition or a "Too little too late praise". All too often people take the word of The Almighty into their own hands to evict judgment upon others, well there's a special place for people like that. Like in the film CONSTANTINE "I have a whole theme park of red delights for you" Um yeah for a lot of people I think but perhaps not those who you'd assume are so terrible. People like Turing & many others are the ones who have patched the world up each time it bleeds & without them BELIEVE ME, wether you believe in anything or not the world wouldn't be as advanced or prosperous as it is today. Lastly, it's very obvious that the world leading governments, think-tank's, "Secret Organizations" look upon this entire rock we call Earth as nothing more than a breeding ground for timid sheep. Why else would they take so long to unveil technological breakthroughs? It's not always some Military Secret, nor is it always something that could be marketed. All too often, there are things already out, kept in secret that are light years ahead of what people today think are possible. But there's always the "Sheep" factor to consider which also includes money.

Threatometers, Newscorp, Religious strife, Political strife.....pfff

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Shagga

Lightyears are distance not time.

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Black Lable 69

Unfortunately History is full of people around the globe who have contributed good deeds in some form or another without recognition or a "Too little too late praise". 

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1337Goose

Sir Issac Newton was knighted for being the architect of modern physics. Alan Turing? Sadly not.

Regardless, he was definitely an amazing man.

As for the correlation between cognition and articulation. I've heard that geniuses are able to think more quickly than they can articulate. With that said, you'd think that cognition could exist without articulation; that it is possible to have formless ideas within your mind.

Personally, psychology is too deep for me. Consider a simple animal, such as an ant. Is the ant just a Turing machine with a series of basic pre-programmed instructions? Are we just an extension of that?

Definitely too deep for me...

~Goose

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Havok

 Try actually coding with the 'Turing' language. It is fun in a "Look I screwed up 300 lines of code but fixedit kind of way" but my programming class had to teach ourselves how to read and code it because our teacher didn't really understand it. Ever since that fateful class, I've often perked up and listened when the name 'Turing' is heard. I always thought it was neat that a language was named after him, but that Turing Test is pretty cool as well. Not to mention the post-humous apologies.

 

 

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1337Goose

Are we talking about the oldschool Turing? Of course I remember it! In fact it brings back quite a few fond memories. It's a wonderful language to learn on, sort of a fun version of Pascal. It doesn't have any commercial applications, but it certainly does have the features of very advanced languages.

Yes, I agree. It is fun to entertain the fact that Pascal and Turing were men before they were programming languages. ;-)

~Goose

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brannank

1 week temp-ban for missing the point of the article.

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SpazzAttack

I did not see what brannak originally posted because it was deleted by the moderator. However, Turing's sexuality and his persecution for it was what the first two paragraphs were all about! It set the tone for the whole article:

"Alan Turing should have been knighted. He should have been Sir Alan Turing. Instead he was prosecuted for being homosexual and committed suicide in despair... Sorry, guys, but an apology does not erase an egregious wrong."

Any computer programmer worth their paycheck is familiar with Alan Turing; the father of our profession. I neither knew nor cared about Turing's personal life until David Gerrold just had to bring it up. The message I got from this article was, 'If the British were not so homophobic, then Turing would have gotten the recognition he deserved.'

I wasn't born yesterday. The author went out of his way to put a gay rights slant to this article. Again, I did not see what brannak posted, and if his comment was way over the top, then I would agree with the moderator's decision to delete it. However, if you don't want someone commenting on the contents of an article you post, then please leave the content out to begin with. And banning a commenter for just "missing the point" seems a bit juvenile.

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willsmith

We don't discuss bans with people other than those banned. Brannak violated a rule and received a temporary ban for it.

I will remind you that our basic rules specifically prohibit ad hominem attacks, trolling, and off-topic conversations in comment threads. We also have a longstanding rule against being a dick.

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SpazzAttack

You don't have to remind me of anything, Will.  I would, on the other hand, suggest this for the future:  If you ban someone and delete their comment, you should simply delete the comment entirely.  What the moderator ended up doing was drawing attention to the whole thing by replacing the offending remark with a comment of his (or her) own that made it appear as though it was the moderator who was "being a dick."

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nekollx

 "We also have a longstanding rule against being a dick."

 

I'm sorry Will, but when i read that line i just had to LOL. If only more companies had "anti-dick rules"

 

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nekollx

 basicly what was said was that Turing should be celebrated for his technical achivements not his amoral sexuality, and how the OP shouldn't be prasing turing for being gay...

 

Which of couse is the exact oposite of the entire article.

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ChuvelxD

This is a place for the advancement of the human species, not a regression.  Your beliefs are yours alone.  Please, MaximumPc is HARDLY the place for this.  They focus on facts, not fiction.

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1337Goose

With all due respect, I don't think this thread is the place to preach your beliefs on what is right or wrong.  

~Goose

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nekollx

 Learn To Read

he specifcaly said that until recently that was his credidation, that no one WAS reconizing his technical achivements.

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Caboose

 HAL is one form of "AI". I think that Data from Star Trek TNG is a good example as well.

 

-= I don't want to be dead, I want to be alive! Or... a cowboy! =-

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Havok

 I prefer GLaDOS myself...

 

 

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Caboose

 Ah yes, I forgot aboot her.

BUt between the 3, I'd rather we develop Data rather than HAL or GLaDOS...

 

-= I don't want to be dead, I want to be alive! Or... a cowboy! =-

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Havok

 Yeah, I do enjoy the thought of GLaDOS a lot, but Data dosen't want us to all perish in a firey furnace or die in space, he just wants to spread the love! He's not a homicidal maniac!

 

 

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Caboose

He, like humanity, is also trying to evolve. To learn more about himself and the universe around him. He tries to better himself (and follows Asimov's 3 rules of robotics).

 

-= I don't want to be dead, I want to be alive! Or... a cowboy! =-

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nekollx

 i seem to recall Data firing a phaser and fighting sentient races, even the borg, with ease.

Data: Not 3 laws safe.

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Caboose

 He's not causing harm to himself, or to his "owners" (Captain Picard, command crew), and he obeys orders.

 THat's my take on it anyway. I think we're starting to get off topic... or are we. I don't know!

 

-= I don't want to be dead, I want to be alive! Or... a cowboy! =-

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dedgar

And if we did create an intelligent mind how would it see us? As it's creator worthy of awe? Or as a simpler entity worthy of pity but not important at all?

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jeffhex

David Gerrold writing for MaximumPC? His book When HARLIE Was One (release 2.0) was one of the books I read that effected my degree choice in college (double major: Cognitive Science and Philosophy... so many years ago). Thanks for that great stuff!

I wionder what Turing would have thought about the advent of CAPTCHA - sort of the reverse Turing Test. Also, I'd love to have seen Turing argue with John Searle (Slusser Professor of Philosophy at the UC Berkeley, and another philosopher dealing with AI and minds, but who I think would disagree with Turing about many things).

Good stuff, Mr. Gerrold. Thank you.

Have you considered working with James P. Hogan on an update of his "Mind Matters" book? (great intro to AI for the non-scientist)

-Jeff

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Chris.Anderson

Thoughtfully written article...

I agree with the notion that our work towards creating a genuine intelligence engine surpasses our desire to simply converse with a machine, and would result in a new type of "mind".  Which brings about the question...how long will it take for humanity to create an intelligence better than itself?  And is that even possible?

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nekollx

 Who's to say we haven't already been created Dave.

Whose to know if that facebook friend of yours is really a fellow meat bag.

Who's to say it isn't one of us....Dave.

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/koobface_botnet_computers_used_infiltrate_spam_facebook

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