Apple Yanks So-Called 'Gay Cure' App from iTunes Store

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TRYER

"it isn't a 'gay cure' app at all... ...looking for an alternative to unwanted same sex attractions.

Same sex attractions are not unwanted if you are having them, but maybe except for the 3rd party. I for one do not support this app. But removing it from the store should go against Freedom of Speech.

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wcj786

I have no dog in this fight, as I am not LGBT, but my take on this is that they should not have pulled this app from the store.  It is nothing but censorship and for the person who posted above me, there are some LGBT people who would like to change.  There is also some information out there that can help them make that change.

It is not up to anybody but the LGBT person whether they want to download this app, and if it can help one LGBT person feel better about themselves or help them to change their orientation IF THEY DECIDE THEY WANT TO, then it is a valuable app.  If the LGBT person does not want to make any changes, then they do not have to download the app.

I have no idea whether this app could make any difference to a person who is confused about their orientation or not, but it is typical of the LGBT community to demand everybody have an open mind about LGBT, but they then demonize anybody who disagrees with their ideas.  They demand respect, yet refuse to respect the beliefs of others and attempt to discredit and demnonize religions that disagree with their personal lifestyle.

This is not just associated with LGBT, but with both the hardcore left and right in this society.  That is a sad commentary on the state of the U.S.

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Danielt876

I am gay and not much that people say or do offends me but the name of the app "Gay Cure" definitely does. I agree that the app should not have been removed but it should of had a direrent name. If it was not called "Gay Cure" then there probably wouldn't been a problem at all.

I also belive that being gay is something you develop and NOT something your born with. Whenever I hear someone say that people are born gay I get extremely pissed. First of all no scientist has found a "gay gene" and second, I was completely straight until 7th grade. I remeber my views on gay people and things like that. I was not attracted to guys at all, I was all about girls. I really dont know what happened...maybe a desire to be diferent. All I know is that people are not born gay...people are turned gay...or straight.

Thats another reason I find the name offensive. Sure gay people can't just wake up and be straight but its not something they are born with...and its not a disease like the app name makes it sound like.

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Asterixx

Speak for yourself, sunshine. I am also gay, and I am quite sure I was "born this way" (to quote that meat dress wearing meathead). I was always gay and will always be gay. I have zero attraction to women and much attraction to men, and it has always been this way, right from the day I figured out that thing down there ain't just for peein'. I had no desire to be different - indeed, during my closeted years I desperately tried to be the same as everyone else and harboured a deep resentment toward myself for not being so (and yes, I'm over that now, thankyouverymuch). There ain't no "cure" for it, any more than there is a "cure" for my blue eyes. If I never had sex with another man I would still be gay. A very sad gay, but still gay. Sexual orientation is not a choice, and any supposedly gay person who would say otherwise is kidding himself. You say you made the choice, but the capability of making that choice to sleep with someone of the same sex was born into you. A straight person (IE a person who was born straight) could never make that choice.

 

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MrBlueCheese

I'll be up front and say i'm straight.

Now, to get to the point, she says she wasn't "born this way" but you say that you were.

So, what exactly are you telling us? That she's wrong and your right?

I think science is way behind in this matter, and even if science proves (or disproves) the "gay gene" would be a moot point.

The point is that some people feel that it is a choice, others are not. Who's to say that they are more right then others? Sure, you could use ideologies and religion, but when it comes down to it, we need to respect people for the way that they are. If someone feels that it is a choice, then we should respect that and let them make their own choices. If someone feels that it isn't a choice, then we should respect that point as well.

It seems that calling people right or wrong is missing a larger piece of the puzzle.

What we need to do is to develop a deep, deep, DEEP discussion of the issue (the larger the better).

We abolished slavery, why can't we have that same leap forward on this issue?

We also need to remove the sigmas of having a certian sexual orientation. Otherwise, we are not going to go anywhere.

We need thoughtful discussions, without bashing, flaming, or having an "they are wrong and i am right" type of attitute.

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jesse_n_sf

Would you like men sexually If you are really straight? No. The same goes for gay men. It is not a lifestyle, it is one's life. It is part of our DNA to be straight or gay. The only reason why a gay man would go with a woman would be because of social demand. Social demand is extremely powerful. Why are there gay men in this world? There may not be a direct answer, but if you think about it, maybe Mother Nature wants to control the human population from becoming over crowded. Everything becomes a lifestyle when one classifies themselves as Bisexual or transsexual/transgender. But being gay or straight is not a lifestyle because this is the core of one’s sexuality.

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Caboose

This is very typical of Christian orginizations. That "homosexuality is a disease" and can be cured. It just like those "straight cure camps" that are all over the place (South Park did an episode on them).

I for one, am glad that this app has been removed. It shouldn't be published anywhere as all it does is spread misinformation, hate and ignorance. And we all know, that there needs to be less of that in the world!

C&P http://www.maximumpc.com/comment/reply/17769/ in to your address bar to post a comment.

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routine

That's right!

Freedom of speech only applies to progressives!

Everyone else is a racist, a hater, a biggot, and a hippocrit!

When will you all figure it out already?

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I Jedi

Personally, I wish such an article was never posted, as it just seems to bring out the "worst" in people. Way too controversial of a subject to have on a tech. website, even if we're all adults here; everyone has their own opinion about gay marriage, etc, that it just seems to blow out of proportion if someone types a sentence in just the wrong way, so as to incidently imply more than what it was meant to.

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dmonkyking

Just like it's typical for the LGBT movement to aggressively silence anyone who has an opposing view of the argument and to brainwash the youth into listening to just their point of view.  This app has just as much right to be in the appstore as any other app, as by the sound of it it isn't advocating violence or hatred, but an alternate view of the LGBT lifestyle.  And before anyone goes off on a tangent about comparing the LGBT movement to the civil rights movement, there is a big difference.  People don't choose the color of their skin (nor should they have to worry about being judged by it), but people do choose their lifestyles and relating the two just to silence the opposition and label them as bigots is quite ignorant in of itself. 

Also, just to let you know, there are many people who have left the LGBT lifestyle

Awaiting all the "tolerant" and "open minded" responses to my comment now. 

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Asterixx

"Just like it's typical for the LGBT movement to aggressively silence anyone who has an opposing view of the argument and to brainwash the youth into listening to just their point of view." Right. And the religious right would never do anything like that. They'd never think of brainwashing youth into their own point of view. Nor would they dream of doing it aggressively. Oh, wait: Without brainwashing religion could not exist, and as for that aggression thing, you only need to look at most of the wars and atrocities that have happened through history for evidence of that... Science can't prove (at the moment) that homosexuality is genetic. I'll give you that. On the same note, science can't prove there's a heaven or a hell, or even a God, either. Until it is proven beyond any doubt that any of these exist, kindly don't shove them down my throat. And if there is a heaven, hell, and God, I will leave it up to the one being in the universe qualified to determine my fate after death: God. I don't remember him delegating that responsibility upon any living human...

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CaptainFabulous

Unfortunately you're wrong. It's just like the color of your skin. You have no choice on being gay. Anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is full of shit.

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MrBlueCheese

See, its having this type of attitute that never solves anything.

All your doing is aggrivating the other side by saying "I'm right and your wrong."

We need to approach this with openmindness, not closemindness.

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TripsToWin

Prove it.  If it's so blatantly obvious then we should all be swamped with irrefutable proof that people are born gay.  So, prove it.

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CaptainFabulous

The fact that you didn't have to decide to be straight, that you most certainly believe you were born that way, proves it.

Science has all but proved it at this point. They've identified a number of factors that lead to someone being gay. But it's not simple, which is why it's taking so long.

I don't need science to prove to me that the sky is blue or the sun is yellow. I can see it for myself. I always find it humorous that those who aren't gay presume to know what it's like to be gay. "Oh, I'm not gay, but I know for sure they choose to be that way". Um, yeah, sure. How about YOU prove it?

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TripsToWin

Science hasn't identified anything substantial as of yet.  Everything has been supposition and hardly conclusive, and that's being kind.  Regardless, are pedophiles born to want to have sex with children?  Are people who have sex with animals born to love sheep?  How far down the ladder of sexual deviation does this go?  Or does the genetic impetuous go to homosexuality and stop?  If we accept homosexuality as nature and not nurture, how long before Californians will be voting for the rights of a woman and a donkey to legally marry?  A man and a 6 year old boy?

If homosexuality was genetic yet we believe in evolution and natural selection wouldn't gays have selected themselves out?  No matter how natural you think it is you're not going to have a child with two men - your "genetic disadvantage" would cease to propogate.  However, if it's learned, that might explain everything.  And it would fall in line with all other sexual deviations - beastiality, pedophilia, et al who don't currently have the national favor or the passions of whimsical people wanting change.

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CaptainFabulous

Wow. You're utterly and completely clueless. Read the link I posted below. And that's just one of many recent studies showing very clearly that people are born gay.

Let's just say for shits and giggles that bestiality and pedophelia are inherent. Ok then, so what? It's not like there aren't other inherent mental diseases -- there are plenty. And last I checked children and animals aren't able to give consent, so no, allowing homosexuals to marry is NOT opening the door to allowing a woman to marry an ass (unless that ass is you, then alas there is nothing to stop her).

And your theory of homosexual evolution only further outlines how inane your argument is. There are no conclusive studies showing homosexuality is genetic. But there are plenty to show that it is inherent. Go process that in that whiffle ball head of yours. While I applaud you for using a small part of your pea brain you should perhaps have at least a passing understanding before you engage in conversation.

 

But thanks for likening homosexuality with pediophelia, bestiality, and other sexual "deviations". Cause that's the typical right-wing anti-gay talking points. And that's also when the discussion ends because it's clear you're talking to someone who is batshit crazy and is desperately trying to rationalize their bigotry and hatred. Cause anyone with half a brain can easily see that none of what you've said makes any logical or rational sense.

 

Oh, and two gay men having a child together isn't far off. Scientists are already working on it. Yeah, I'm betting your head's gonna explode when it finally happens. Progress is a bitch ain't it?

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TripsToWin

So much anger.  Well, at least your perversion manifested itself in something that takes you out of the gene pool.  We're not as lucky when it comes to others whose perversions allow them to propogate.

Now if we can just figure out what causes young people to act out this way...

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CaptainFabulous

Yes, it's very sad when close-minded ignorant bigots mate and create more close-minded ignornant bigots.

Thankfully your numbers are shrinking every day. Won't be too long till you're extinct. Natural selection and all.

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TripsToWin

Don't get your panties in a wad, princess.  I simply asked for a little proof before I believe.  Is that ignorant?  Or should I should take your word for it without question?  Is that what passes for enlightened these days?  It's sad how we as a society seem to be approaching another Dark Ages where dogma is passed down and those who don't fall in line and blindly accept an unfounded belief system devoid of substantial proof are burned at the stake. 

Decades of bringing the entire might of the scientific community to bear on this issue and we get little more than agenda driven reports about brain scans taken from small samples that may or may not point to something concrete but will be presented as such regardless.

Fanatical Christians and fanatical leftists - I don't know which is worse.

If it were up to me I'd get rid of both of you.

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D00dlavy

++ for common sense.

This thread is hilarious.

For the record, I don't give a shit what people do with their genitals.  I care about free speech.

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TripsToWin

Double post.

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TripsToWin

Triple post!

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jth

Here's the thing; There is no constitution or Bill of Rights in Apple's Appstore. It's not a happy little democracy. Apple has always decided what they do and do not want in the store. Businesses are authoritarian regimes and that is not a bad thing. Yes, it's annoying when interest groups rally to push their views whether it is LGBT groups in cases like this, or the religious..... well.... pretty much everywhere, but the fact is that Apple are the ones that decided they didn't want it in the store so it was removed. 

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I Jedi

I don't think that is necessarily fair to say when you say people can choice their "lifestyle," which I assume you are referring to being gay. It's hard to fight who you are attracted to, period. You can grow up your entire life force feed an idea that mariage, love, relationships are all for straight men and women only, but somewhere down the line you might feel attracted to the same sex. Granted, most people never do because of culture, enviroment, and their own belief settings.

Do I think this application should be allowed on Apple, yes. Why, because it is a viewpoint of an organization, and to silence that organization is to essentially "hush, hush" what we Americans do not want to see or think about. Yes, there are people out there who hate gays so much, that they would prefer to see them wiped off of the face of the earth; however, there are those who believe gays should be allowed to come into their own, to live without being prosecuted for having a relationship with a same-sex member. Personally, my belief is to live and let live. As long as gay people don't try to convert me, and no church, organization, etc, tries to involve me in their little witch-hunt, I think it's just best to respect one another. Does that mean I support gay rights, sure, but I also support other people's thoughts on the matter, too. I can understand why people are freaked out by gays, even though blasted beyond propotion, in my opinion, but I also understand you can't fight attraction.

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D00dlavy

Have you looked at the app, or are you just being puffed-up?

 

Though I typically identify myself as conservative (at least fiscally), nothing pisses me off more than "my side's" facade of moral legislation; agendas for social items like drugs, privacy, homosexuality and decency aka censorship.

 

I personally hold the belief that homosexuality has more to do with nurture than genetics, and that it can be learned and unlearned, but I don’t pretend that I’m right...

 

The rest of the world seems to find this idea abhorrent.  I think there’s been a widespread assumption that homosexuality is, in fact, a genetic card that one must have been dealt... and tell me if I’m wrong, but the research available today doesn’t support this beyond a shadow of a doubt, either.

 

What Apple did was censoring to placate these masses.  As such, I say “boo” to this move.  This is just as bad as Conservative cries for “decency” in movies and video games.

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CaptainFabulous

Actually, the research does indeed support the notion that people are born gay. They just haven't established exactly why that is as there seem to be a number of different factors in play. So it's not just enough to say it's genetic, cause it goes beyond that. But it's pretty much a given that "nurture" plays no role.

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D00dlavy

Well, see, it's not an unequivocal given.  That's the thing.  A "given" becomes, well, consensus, and this issue is too hotly debated to be a "given" this day and age.

 

I need to do more reading.  Or I can just go on not knowing and that's OK.  I generally don't discriminate, nor am I in a position to dictate social policy to others.  So... I guess me not knowing doesn't truly make a difference.

 

People need to learn to separate their ideas and beliefs and practice tolerance.  We'll never evangelize everyone in the world to a single side, no matter the cause or the science backing it.  It's more important to acknowledge this and move on from there.

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MrBlueCheese

"Actually, the research does indeed support the notion that people are born gay."

Proof or it didn't happen.

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Asterixx

Proof or it didn't happen? Then you're saying that the bible should be in the fiction section of bookstores, since there is no concrete proof of any of it, right? It's impossible to believe that people are born gay because science can't prove they were, but it's perfectly acceptable to believe some woman got knocked up by a beam of light and her fatherless offspring is a god, something that science and common sense both say can't be possible? You don't see the hypocrisy of demanding irrefutable proof of one thing while blindly believing in another? It's quite simple: People who refuse to believe people are born into their sexuality do so for one reason and one reason only: To believe it would be to remove any moral justification they have for discriminating against this group. As long as they feel that people choose this life they feel justified in discriminating against them. And churches could hardly justify venting their spleens toward gays if it was proven that those gays are just as natural as straight people. The fact of the matter is that these people are so determined not to believe it that you could show them undeniable proof and they would still refuse to believe it. Who would they direct their hatred towards without gays to kick around?

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CaptainFabulous

"The fact of the matter is that these people are so determined not to believe it that you could show them undeniable proof and they would still refuse to believe it."

Wait... you mean we aren't a product of millions of years of evolution backed by irrefutable scientific proof but instead descended from an incestuous figleaf-wearing couple with a pet snake and a penchant for apples? NO! <sticks fingers in ears> LALALALALALALALA!!!

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CaptainFabulous

http://www.salon.com/news/environment/mind_reader/2008/09/12/gay_neurology/

Read it for yourself. This is just one of many recent studies affirming it.

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deadsolid

Wow, a win for Apple. I'm impressed.

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Modroneman

Wait, How is this a win for Apple? Isn't it a win for the gay community? Way to distort the real story apple fanboy

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D00dlavy

Give the guy a break. He probably owns an Apple. He has it bad enough.

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jlamar

I'm curious to know if you (Caboose) actually looked at the app before you commented on it's content. If you didn't, wouldn't that mean you were being somewhat ignorant, misinformed and judgmental?

Just a thought...

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