AMD’s new X4 quad core

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acyinks

But at least they know how to spell Democrats.

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Keith E. Whisman

I was drunk when I wrote that.

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wolffrp

Not having used an AMD 790 chipset motherboard in your benchmarks, which is purported to significantly increase the performance of Phenom systems, you will never convince AMD fan boys that your results are fair or even real. Next time you bench AMD Phenoms use the AMD 790 chipset!

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Keith E. Whisman

AMD fan boys are not idiots they are just Demacrats. I don't hate Dems I just don't understand them. They open defy the obvious and invent their own truth that they barely believe themselves..

Hey guys you knew this had to turn political sooner or later.

DDR3 technically outperforms DDR2 by being able to do quad operations per cycle while DDR2 can only do two. Since AMD is stuck with DDR2 it's performance eventually will be at least half as much as an Intel part with DDR3 ram.

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sp3ci4lk

WHO CARES!!!???

Look at the power consumption! Check out some of the other reviews that look at idle and load power. It's bad enough at idle (over 25 watts more than a comparable Core 2 Quad), but look at the load numbers.

It would cost you more to game on this thing over time, and you still wouldn't have the performance.

AMD Fanboys are Idiots.

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schinkinatror

My question is how well will it overclock. What really put the Q6600 above the rest was the ability to overclock like a champ. If the new core wants to suceed it'll need some headroom.

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gordonung

Unfortunately, there just wasn't enough time to do the overclocking testing on the Phenom but others are seeing 3GHz which is about what you can hit with a Q6600 without even trying very hard. So Phenom overclocks pretty well. Unfortunately, so does Q9300. I saw ours at 3.5GHz on stock air under stress testing so there's room.

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Vondarkmoor

Gordon, You need to go upside Will's head. I just heard that fool answer a question on the latest podcast about what is the current quad core sweet spot and his answer was the Q6600??!!. this was right after acknowledging the results of your q9300 testing. What's up with that? (disclaimer, do not really go upside wills head, that missive was for entertainment purposes only)

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bnrd120

i cant really call this a fair match the amd and intel were set on two different mem. configs. 1066 to 1333. Thats like 667 to 333 or regular gas to premium and then calling them even, and evan with the slower ram the amd was still not that bad only laging at the most 1:40 sec. on the slower config. Which makes me wonder how would they compete on the same config.

The amd is designed to work directly with the ram and to not give the two the same makes the experiment inconclusive.

I'll wait tell i find a fair compairson before i judge

nrdz-

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Beefy22

I read your post... and now my head hurts :P.

AMD roadmaps have shown that DDR3 support will only be available for both 45nm CPUs and AM3 platforms. The lack of DDR3 support on AM2+ platforms is no ones fault, other than AMD. Thus their inability to compete with DDR3 platforms is moot, though I think you would find little difference if say a DFI LT X48-T2R(DDR2) were used in place of the 790i board. Perhaps the performance ∆ would actually grow larger in that scenario?

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truthseeker

AMD's integrated memory controller reduces latency and gets more out DDR2 than Intel's FSB architeture. Intel's FSB REQUIRES DDR3 to get the perormance out of their CPUs. DDR3 on Intel adds tremendous cost and therefore you are better off buying an AMD configuation.

Take the extra $200 you would waste on Intel/DDR3 and buy an AMD config with a better graphics card or a better disk array.

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Beefy22

Not quite... I assume you're alluding to FSB saturation and/or bottleneck due to the "slow" speeds of DDR2? Which is complete garbage, DDR2 1066 is every bit as fast as DDR3 1333, proof -> http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/ddr3_6.html#sect0.

Hypothetical Intel build:

Q6600 for $190 @ Frys B&M(was actually $180 for a brief stint online @ frys)
Patriot Viper 2x2GB DDR2 1066 kit for $98 after $20MIR at newegg
DFI DK P35-T2RS for $140 @ newegg

A comparable AMD build would at least cost the same if not more. Not only that, but getting a Q6600 to 3.6 ghz with a TRUE(thermalright ultra 120 Extreme) should be a breeze. Performance/$ and even more so Performance/watt(X4 vs C2Q) are both in Intels favor... Back in the K9/netburst days I was AMD all the way. Hypothetically, if VIA's upcoming Isaiah and S3's 430GT offered superior performance I'd be all over that no doubt(actually if they offer superior Perf/watt I still might buy em). Undying fanboyism = inferior hardware.

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Beefy22

"For the most part, the Q9300 owned the night. It generally outpaced the old Q6600 quad core and the new Phenom quad core in most of our tests. In a clock-for-clock test, we would declare the Q9300 the winner with the Q6600 as the runner up."

How did you come to this conclusion???

Q6600 -> 2400mhz = 266FSB(1066QDR) x 9
Q9300 -> 2500mhz = 333FSB(1333QDR) x 7.5

The Q9300 has both a higher operating frequency and FSB.

It would have been interesting if you lowered the multi on the q6600 to x8 and increased fsb to 312-313. That would have provided a more accurate "clock vs clock" comparison.

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gordonung

You're right. Brain fart. Updated copy to reflect what I actually should have said. I've also corrected the amount of L2 in the Phenom as well. It is 2MB, not 4MB.

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Keith E. Whisman

Well I'm spending that tax rebate check on a Penryn quad with DDR3 in 790I board. I'll be doing my part to help the economy with my rebate check with upgrades galore come this May..

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Biggins

Yeah, you are helping Taiwan's economy.

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Shalbatana

It's a decent showing, as stated above, and priced percisely according to it's performance ratio.

What it does more than anything is show that AMD can still make a respectable chip, and that they're on course (even if behind) for better chips to come.

What they need now is a strategy similar to what they did with ATI, temporarily changing their market strategy and profile before Intel pushes them out of the lower markets as well.

Despite ATI being behind, they too have been making a strong showing as of late. I wouldn't be suprised if there's something around the corner that will majorly impress.

There's no time like the future.

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truthseeker

You need to factor in two things here:

1/ The AMD part is $60 cheaper than Intel.
2/ If you pair the lower end Phenoms with integrated chipsets (780G)and compare those with Intel and their integrated chipsets (G35), Intel is HORRIBLE on video and games.

So what's the use of having a fast processor if it cant play decent games or do HD video?

These videos explain everything:
BluRay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V741rSx3-5U
Games: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd0Of4PnpQk

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bholstege

Simple. You don't expect people using AMD's highest end part to use integrated graphics. In addition, no integrated graphics can play games at hi def resolutions, which I assume you would be using, since you mentioned high def decoding.

This is a CPU review, not a motherboard review. And for non accelerated Hi Def, Intel wins.

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rmmst49

amd staying competitive forces intel to innovate to stay ahead, as opposed to nvidia, who have totally ruled graphics cards for what, almost two years, and already they've fallen into the madden nfl, "if people are still buying it, why make it any better?" mode. Hopefully amd can provide some real competition of the graphics card front as well, ASAP.

Plus, if your not looking for top end parts you can get a really decent machine cheaply. I just upgraded an old intel p4 machine with a 780g,4400+ with two gigs of ram and a 500gb hard drive for $250. With Shipping.

Awesome.

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zine team279

Well, at least the AMD proc isn't getting its face pushed in (as much).

And its cheaper, which might help it hold down some of its marketshare.

Hang in there, AMD.

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