AMD Reports a Profit, Tips Hat to Graphics Division

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Ghost XFX

They would do better to tip their hat towards Bitcoin miners...

*,..,* DETH 2 BITCOIN MINERZ!!! *,..,*

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popetorak

ATI isnt good enough for the men so it has to play with the kids

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Xenite

Saying something that fanboy childish, you should fit in nicely with the tikes as well.

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AFDozerman

It's good to see AMD doing well, but I feel like they could do better, especially in the CPU department. I'm no computer engineer, but I feel like post-Carrizo, they need to start pulling a netburst-era Intel and cross-polinating the big cats line with Bulldozer. Bulldozer was a good concept, and although it didn't really meet expectations, it does have some redeeming attributes such as an FPU that could match Sandy (although it only had one per module) and a beastly decode unit that had to feed two Interger pipelines per module.

I feel like a pair of highly modified multi-issue Jaguar-esque integer pipelines per module with a Bulldozer-derived FPU and decode with a faster L3 and all of AMD's special goodies (HSA, XOP, GPU HDLs, etc)could be a major design win for my favorite underdog, but would take years to come about.

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vrmlbasic

With Steamroller it looks, from the reviews of Kaveri, that each integer unit now has its own decoder. Those reviews claim that it doesn't matter, and that it isn't coming to AM3+ anytime soon, but I'll reserve judgment until a non-APU steamroller is tested.

Maybe with Ballmer leaving M$ his successor will be less focused on this "one experience on all your devices" pipe dream and more receptive to a better experience on the devices we already have by finally getting Windows set up to understand what Bulldozer is. It has only been 3 years now.

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John Pombrio

The biggest issue here is money. R&D costs to develop a high end CPU for PC/servers is HUGE, and AMD simply cannot afford it any longer. One of the only reasons that the graphics cards are doing OK is that the new families were financed by MS and SONY for their consoles. I expect to see the graphics card R&D also start to dry up now, letting NVidia again get a commanding lead.

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Thiazolium

"The biggest issue here is money. R&D costs to develop a high end CPU for PC/servers is HUGE, and AMD simply cannot afford it any longer."

Totally disagree. Throwing money at R&D has never been an indicator of success. Itanium I&II, the Camino chipset were exorbitantly funded to no success. In fact, they were embarrassing failures. AMD's aquistion of ATi proved to be a prudent move leveraging alternative technologies and allowing diversification of their product to other platforms. The rapidly changing technology landscape coupled with being able to service said platform is the problem; not developing a "better" CPU. Both Intel and AMD failed to acknowledge the rapid spread and adoption of mobile technology. ARM capitalized on this and now has a substantial market share and lead in this area.

"NVidia again get a commanding lead." nVidia has never had a "commanding" lead over AMD/ATi. Both have swapped the lead in the past, but not by a large amount. AMD currently has 40 percent of the overall graphics market share. nVidia is caught in a precarious situation as it does not have a unified architecture and the Maxwell architecture will not alleviate that. nVidia is reaching out to other markets such as the automotive industry. They have inked a deal with VW/Audi to test their new Tegra platform. Even the programming state has changed. With Apple and Adobe adopting more OpenCL code, nVidia has failed to respond appropriately. Again, AMD has the edge in this area.

In a nutshell, it's not about the money - it's about knowing what's going to takeoff next and being ready for it.

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LatiosXT

The main issue with AMD's architecture is that it hinges on everyone writing code optimized for multi-threading. Not every task can be multi-threaded, or it's probably damn hard or impractical to do so (how are you going to multi-thread a word processor?)

At least today, software developers are developing with multi-threading in mind, unlike back when Intel tried to push HyperThreading out.

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vrmlbasic

Word processors can be multithreaded: the UI runs on its own thread while other tasks-file access and macros, say-run on another. I wish FireFox had file access on a separate thread as if I try and save a download to a hard drive in "power save mode" Firefox will go unresponsive until the drive wakes.

Though in AMD's case, it isn't so much that software developers need to write multithreaded code as much as it is that Microsoft needs to make a thread scheduler that actually "knows" what Bulldozer is. Part of the Bulldozer strategy was that threads that used the same resources would be on the same module but Windows doesn't know anything about that :(

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LatiosXT

Microsoft acknowledged that Windows 7 wasn't designed for Bulldozer's architecture and addressed that in Windows 8. It still didn't do much for performance.

Plus in Linux, it still sucks in single threaded tasks.

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maleficarus™

An 89 million dollar profit means very little after a 473 million loss the year before! There still in the hole 300+ million and it will take a hole lot of consoles to make that back up. But glad to see there in the green again anyways!

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kixofmyg0t

What? Even a $1 profit is HUGE after a $473 Million loss dude.

You're right it will take a "hole" lot of consoles to make that up. Good thing that sales of AMD equipped consoles are approaching the 10 million unit mark since November. Sony is selling PS4's as fast as they can make them, Microsoft's Xbox One isn't selling nearly as well but it's still selling. The Wii U has failed but it's still sold around 3 million.

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limitbreaker

I'm by far in favor of the PS4 but the Xbox isn't doing so bad, they've so far sold 3.2M compared to Sony's 4.6M. I think eventually the Xbox may even outsell the ps4 in USA because of patriotism but world wide will still lose out to Sony.

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John Pombrio

With the company already announcing a loss for the coming quarter, the revenue from the PS4 and XBox One consoles may be drying up or no longer applying. SONY and MS could have bought upfront the right to manufacture the console's APU without having to pay royalties going forward. If there are still royalty payments, they may not be that much considering its only a $50 chip in them. Compared to the PC and sever markets, the console market is peanuts.

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AFDozerman

The Wii U has only failed in the US. on the outside, they've sold faster than the PS4 and XBO.