AMD Plans to Expand Desktop Richland Family of APUs Ahead of Kaveri Launch

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JimmyD1964

I think AMD is on the right track. But I LOVE my FX-8350 at 4.7 and 53C on AIR. That's during an 8 core stress test. This processor only pulls 40-45 watts doing normal work on the computer and that is EIGHT CORES not 4 pretending to be 8 with hyperthreading. Which only helps in 40% of applications anyway (google it).

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PCLinuxguy

There's a guy on another PC forum that would love to debate that. I watched him and another guy last week on it.

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Jeffredo

Still holding out hopes for a Steamroller x86 CPU. I don't need an APU (always have a good discrete card) and I've had my current X4 980 BE for three years now. A Vishera wouldn't be that big of an upgrade, so if something doesn't happen by spring I guess its off to Intel (for the first time in ten years).

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John Pombrio

Not sure why a low powered DESKTOP CPU is needed. It's a minor piece of the build's power requirements. Only place I can think of that would be helpful would be in servers.

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vrmlbasic

I'm not sure that I follow what you mean as I am thinking that the CPU and GPU, which comprise these APUs, are major pieces of a build's power requirements (I can't think of anything that consume more power in a PC). Since I'm betting that is not new info to you, I'm confused as to what you meant.

Would you mind elaborating?

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John Pombrio

Hmm,a typical low end desktop APU from AMD would be say, 65 watts. At 45 watts, this would save 20 watts. a search on the web showed this:

Small Form Factor - 15A (250W)
Mini-Tower - 25A (300-350W)
Mid-Tower - 35A (400-500W)
Full Tower - 40A (600-650W)
Dual Video Card (SLI) - 60A (850W+)

Saving 20 watts (at peak CPU/ APU whatever speeds) is at most a 10% decrease. These AMD APUs would more likely be in a mid sized computer so about 5% savings ONLY WHEN THE APU IS RUNNING FULL SPEED (a very small majority of the time).
Yes, every little bit helps but I would not replace a APU just for the power savings on a DESKTOP. It would take years to pay for the chip in electrical savings

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warptek2010

So Intel does it and it's "Wow, now that's innovative! Now THATS a market leader, The second coming of Christ blah, blah..." AMD does it and it's "Big whoop. Next". Naw, we're not slightly biased.

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PCLinuxguy

Exactly! and then anyone who even remotely tries to correct that bias is seen as some retarded AMD fanboy and their geek cred is called into question just because they don't worship at the alter of Intel. People can sew benchmarks all day long, but the fact remains that for 95% of people, an AMD chip would work equally as well, including gaming since GPUs are taking over as the new powerhouse instead of the CPU.

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Jon Utley

It's not always about saving money on power bills,though that is very relevant to today's market.Heat,or minimizing heat while improving performance is very desirable,in any form factor.AMD's APU's are perfect for HTPC's and small form-factor configurations. These small system have little room for cooling solutions.Lower TDP usually allows for higher overclocking without expensive components also.

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vrmlbasic

Though in this case, regarding overclocking, I thought that this low-power chip was just a lower-clocked version of its higher-clocked brother chip.

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goodtime

Don't forget that the fans won't have to work as hard, meaning there will be less dust, meaning a longer lifespan for people whose computers never get cleaned out. These chips would be good for oems.

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CaptainFabulous

Mini-ITX or other small form factor builds with low-wattage PSUs; for example, a media PC.

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Neal Nelson

Or even an external PSU - possible with SSD & low power memory.

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AFDozerman

Don't ever underestimate the conglomerate power of the tree hugger crowd, either. They want low power everything.

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vrmlbasic

Tree huggers use non-Apple products?!

I'd be saddened if that were to ever come to pass as the irony of tree-huggers using Apple products is, as they say in hipster-speak, delicious. Though if Apple products were to use AMD, bolstering AMD and giving serious incentive to optimize for GPUCompute and AMD's module architecture...

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PCLinuxguy

or the intel fanboy crowd.. seen a bunch boast about how Intel's chips use 77 watts and how it makes such a huge power savings etc. Maybe AMD is just trying to 'keep up' with the low power niche.

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AFDozerman

I personally make up for the lost electricity from my 8150 by turning a lamp off in my house...