AMD Launches "Kaveri" APU with Radeon R7 Graphics

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drcrazyrich

hey I may be an AMD fan-boy but you have to admit for basic set up for the money and plays STUPID-VILLE too
you cant beat these APUs !! easy upgrade is just add a discrete GPU and you're off to the races for some great gaming ,
LOL grandma with an i7 for farmville classic :)
PS if I had i7 $$$ I might get one but since a person get ram cpu and mobo for the same price as one no thx :)

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biggiebob12345

I like a comment from AT: anyone who cares about gaming won't care because 15fps @ 1080 is worthless, and anyone who doesn't care about gaming won't care because an old GMA will work fine.

Last year I could have gone APU for my server build (100% uptime except for Windows Update reboots), then I realized that I'd rather have 2x the performance / watt and went i3.

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AFDozerman

That's an extremely generalized remark. You make it sound like this can't game at 1920x1080, of which it can. Of course it can't run BF4 at 16x AA, but it can definitely get 30+ on medium settings. Also, I absolutely DO care about gaming, and have been at 1440x900 for awhile, now. Also, if all you do with that server machine is using is as a server (no backup machine or whatever) an i3 is overkill. Kabini or Atom should be more than enough.

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Hey.That_Dude

This will get much better on the next run. By then DDR4 should make it into the build. Even if it's more expensive the extra money spent will close the performance gap between discrete low end mobile GPU's and Integrated GPU's.

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Chronologist

Yes, 100 percent agreed. Bring on the DDR4, and let's see a steamroller variant of the Jaguar APU in the PS4.

If AMD is comfortable marketing a 220w rebranded FX-8XXX chip, bring on out a 220w APU.

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Hey.That_Dude

I'd rather see a big.LITTLE type thing go on the cpu side of things.

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vrmlbasic

As someone who has a FX990 AM3+ motherboard I'm saddened at the prospect of a 220w APU. Each day without news of a new processor on AM3+ makes it more likely that the sun is setting on the AM3+ platform and that there won't be an AM4, just an FM3 that could power a beastly 220w APU.

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AFDozerman

I'm pretty sure they're just taking the Intel approach and releasing FX a year after mainstream variant releases.

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Gikero

Awesome looking chips. Curious if they'll release any non-APU variants. Built systems using the Athlon II 740 and was happy with them. All the CPU improvements would be welcome.

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Hey.That_Dude

In short. No. even Intel is going to start putting basic graphics/ GPGPUs on their server class systems (read X79's sucessor).
My captcha fo this post is: MWUdZ

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AFDozerman

I'm exited to see what the LLVM and Project Sumatra autoacceleration maturation brings for these APUs. I feel like at that point, AMD's claims of "12" compute cores will actually be substantiated. Until then, it's a bit of a stretch, although it does point to where AMD is going with the whole APU concept: heterogeneous computing with a few single-threaded optimized cores and hundreds of tiny massively-parallel cores as one unit with appropriate tasks being shuffled to the appropriate architecture when needed.

The future is wild for AMD.

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John Pombrio

The race for mining bitcoins is heating up rapidly. There WILL BE only a set number of bitcoins mined each year. That is the law of bitcoins by the committee. If more computing power is thrown at it, the committee increases the amount of computation needed to mine a bitcoin.
Unfortunately, the days of single PCs mining bitcoins is over. The computation requirements increases every two weeks and is already beyond what a normal PC can do in any reasonable time frame. Pooled computers and even renting servers from Amazon is now the order of the day.

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AFDozerman

While the difficulty IS skyrocketing, new coins will still be being released well into the 2020s and the value is still on the rise (averaging for spikes and dips), so a slow and steady membership to a pool could still be worth it for someone who has the patience. That being said, altcoin is still the way to go for anyone with half a brain.

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Gameaholic1337

I'd like to see one of these in an ultra small HTPC/Steam Box build. Maybe in one of those mini-itx cases that don't have room for a GPU.

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LatiosXT

If you use tasks that need the extra performance and take advantage of heterogeneous computing, then I would agree the APUs are a great bang-for-the-buck option. Otherwise, for someone needing a computer for basic office work and surfing the internet, then Intel starts to look a bit more promising. If only because they also carry a lower TDP which means less heat (and usually by virtue, less noise) and less power used.

There's a lot of factors I like to consider before instantly claiming something is superior over another. It all depends on the application and other desirables.

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AFDozerman

I agree with your method of thinking, but I have to disagree with the results you came to. Honestly, if you want to talk low power, a quad-core or even dual-core cabini APU will perform the tasks you laid out great for what most people have hooked to their computers (although above 1080p, you'll probably need to go discrete, in which case, a ULV Intel proc with something like a gtx 650 will be more than enough, but most mainstream users don't go above 1080p from my experience) , and with the level that mainstream browsers are adopting GPU acceleration, a well-integrated and powerful GPU will mean a lot for more than just drawing pretty pictures.

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macmooda

That is very well said. I could not agree more with "There's a lot of factors I like to consider before instantly claiming something is superior over another. It all depends on the application and other desirables". That is very true and sometimes people fail to remember that.

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bigrigross

Yeah, with my high end desktops I will always use Intel chips. But for my low end builds for customers, I will always suggest the APU series from AMD. They work pretty well and even allow my clients to play their occasional games without issue. I even built my father in laws computer with an A6 Richland and he enjoys using it. Though the SSD has something to do with that as well. If people are tight on money, I always suggest an SSD mixed with a low end AMD before I would choose an Intel proc with a HDD.

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CyberCam

It's refreshing to see that you can appreciate both chipsets and you're able to objectionally see each for what they bring to the table.

On the flipside, it's unfortunate to see many take a side and argue their tunnel visioned views.

My hats off to you sir!

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bigrigross

I always choose what is best for my clients. Not everyone needs an i5 for browsing the internet. AMD APU's do more than the pentiums and celerons at a lower price point. I even suggest the A8 and A10s to the people who want a gaming machine for cheap. It gets them a computer that can play games decently but also opens them up for an upgrade later without throwing away hardware.

On that note, I will always be Intel on my higher end PC's. AMDs latest high end processors are very disappointing to me in both performance and heat. But they are nailing the low end and mobile markets.

You can usually tell the fanboys from the enthusiast on this site. Fanboys annoy me because they usually will make everything overkill which everything does not need to be. My backup computer is a lonely i3 with a 7770 which lets me game when my main gaming PC is compiling code or rendering objects for my video side projects. Enthusiast know what they need and will always give that info to people. Fanboys would make their grandma buy a Core i7 so she can play farmville.

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Gikero

Back in 08 my dad asked me to build him a new PC. His Celeron with 256MBs of RAM couldn't handle Farmville. I spec'd him a nice Athlon X2 64 with 4GBs of RAM and Win7.

We ended up with a Phenom II 3.0Ghz, 1TB HDD and 8GBs of DDR2 PC-6400 RAM. RAM was on sale. Because he needed a computer that could fullscreen Farmville and thought my original spec was too modest.

Now it just sits there, begging me to take it away and use it.

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CyberCam

You're a wise man! Your last paragraph is a gem! The "Fanboys would make their grandma buy a Core i7 so she can play farmville." comment is PRICELESS and so TRUE!! LOL!!!

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CyberCam

Being a fan of AMD, this is great news for me. Although, I'll admit Intel desktop processors blow away AMD's on the high end scale. Price to performance ratio on mid to low end, AMD can't be beat.

I can't wait until we start seeing A10-7850K chip in laptops. I will be purchasing a new laptop when these arrive. Also, my new Steam Machine will be sporting the A10-7850K as well.

Many may not like AMD products, but you have to admit, they keep Intel somewhat honest in certain cases and being able to have a choice, doesn't hurt either!

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vrmlbasic

I'd be interested in such a laptop as well. I want a capable laptop but at this time I don't want a several-thousand-dollar desktop replacement laptop, I want a laptop that is both capable and "disposable" and AMD is the only hope I have of getting something like that.