“PC Games Have Surpassed Console Games,” Says DFC Intelligence Owner

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CrashTECH

Quote marks in the URL, seriously guys?

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Shalbatana

I would venture a guess that one of the true major reasons for this shift is that the new consoles just don't have that many new titles yet. I'm surprised that wasn't mentioned.

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Chad727

I never understood the rage between the console and PC gamers. We both get screwed by exclusive releases, buggy programming, and lack of support from the game devs. My brother games almost exclusively on a console while I'm a PC gamer and I don't feel the need to rub his nose in shit and vice-versa. He likes the simplicity consoles offer. I like free mods, free to play games, and tinkering to get the visuals I want. But why all the hate? Buy what suits you and HAVE FUN!

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fung0

The problem with console gaming is that it takes something that works perfectly well in free and open form - on the PC - and closes it down, makes it proprietary - for zero or even negative benefit.

Around the time of the SNES, the console filled a definite gap. You couldn't dream of owning a PC for the price of a console. Also, PCs were too complex for most consumers.

But today, the prices are comparable (when you take into account the monthly subscription you pay on the console, and the fact that you basically need to buy two or even three different brands). PCs are easy to use: games are easy to set up, compatibility problems are rare. (And far from nonexistent on consoles, either.) Most embarrassing of all, the new 'consoles' are essentially identical to the PC as far as hardware. Their only 'value added' is actually value subtracted.

Turn the question around, for once. Would you buy a locked-down, non-expandable piece of gear, running some bizarro proprietary OS, locked into a single company's online services, instead of a generic, expandable PC that can run multiple OSes?? For gaming, or any for other purpose?

No hatred here. It's just that the 'console' as a concept has outlived its raison d'etre. Time to move on.

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codo

I wish I could overlook the console, but I cant...

I don't like how game makers waist their time downsizing their game until it finally fits their pathetic consoles. Then they try to sell that depreciated game to the PC gamer, who feel the games potential but can't experience it. THAT, is when the gamer realize how their money was stolen by the console.

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Chad727

I respectfully disagree with your assertion that consoles have outlived their reason for existence. My brother is a complete Luddite so if that Xbox 360 of his needed constant repairs or was a pain in the ass to use it would be sitting curbside on trash day. Him and millions around the world like him want the simplicity of plug it in and turn it on. From my experiences, I think consoles are bad news economically. After burning through two PlayStation 2's (one literally went up in smoke) I decided that Sony could suck the center of my asshole and set about learning how to build a gaming PC that wouldn't crap out due to playing on it for hours on end. That was 6 years ago and I've never wanted to go back to consoles despite PSU failures, graphics card coil whine, altering steam to run GTA4 with my 7950, and having to diagnose issues with peripherals just to name a few troubles I've encountered. PC's are without a doubt more complex than consoles but they offer more flexibility of use, control of design, and the opportunity for free games (as in no cost to play). In my eyes they both have a place. Simplicity vs freedom. That's the tradeoff.

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fung0

Freedom vs simplicity USED to be a valid tradeoff. It's not, any more. The PS4 and XB1 are not only just as complex as PCs, they ARE PCs... but with proprietary (less well-proven and vastly less-capable) operating systems. That's an obvious fact - check the write-ups here on Maximum PC.

Think about what that implies. It means that the 'console' market is no longer anything but an illusion, maintained by a massive infusion of marketing dollars. Sony and Microsoft maintain brand loyalty the same way as Coke and Pepsi: by creating a mythical rivalry, and conning their customers into identifying with one brand or the other.

The only real question is when will console gamers wise up and realize they're paying gasoline prices for sugary water.

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codo

So lets link up RESPAWN'S Xbox One with my PC and lets see who wins 1v1 on ANY fps game.

That's also why PC will always reign.
Not to mention Graphic superiority and $Steam$.

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LatiosXT

[Double post]

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LatiosXT

At the end of the day, if the game mechanics suck and it's a buggy mess, it doesn't matter if it's pissing on consoles and making my PC components cry, it's a game that sucks and I won't buy it. Recently I went back to old school games like Quake and Jumping Flash. So blocky and simple they would make a graphics whore cry. But why? Because I found them fun.

While I prefer the PC gaming platform for it's flexibility, I treat "nice graphics" and "smooth framerates" as a plus, not a requirement.

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AFDozerman

I love listening to losers cry.

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Led Weappelin

Scatter, I feel you are correct.

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Scatter

I feel that PC gaming has always been more popular and profitable. Industry insiders just weren't factoring in all of the sources until recently.

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Led Weappelin

OK

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Innomasta

you guys are derpin' hard. Consoles will ALWAYS have a place. The MOBA is what is driving half of the console users to PC, and only that. People had grown tired of the outdated PS3 and 360, and have since tried PC. But now we have the PS4 and Xbox One, which present some decent hardware at an affordable price. Give it a year or so, but we're going to start seeing some very pretty and well optimized games (Destiny, Halo, ESO, etc) come to consoles that are going to make the consolers turn right back after they realize that PC they bought for 400 to play League and little indie titles with their little buddies can't play the new Battlefield 5 or Call of Duty Phantoms or some shit the 400 dollar PS4 can. The consoles will always have extremely effective optimization on their side.

While I do believe the gaming landscape has changed, and PC's now have a bigger market share than ever before, I just don't think the current statistics accurately reflect the current future.

There will always be people who are either too poor, not tech savvy enough, or too casual a gamer to bother with PC gaming, and they'll buy their console and enjoy it. The new consoles just haven't hit their stride yet.

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Slugbait

"The consoles will always have extremely effective optimization on their side."

Except for maybe that whole WASD+mouse thing...

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vrmlbasic

The Xbone and the PS4 can barely play those games at this time. We're getting <1080 resolution and setting the bar for some games (eg:Witcher 3) at 30 FPS on the consoles. Perhaps this will change as game engines evolve to run on the new hardware but that won't be happening with games any time soon.

For the performance currently provided the consoles are definitely overpriced and, especially if compared to a budget gaming desktop, don't offer a superior experience to the hypothetical PCs bought by these hypothetical consolers who went to PC.

Also, it doesn't look like ESO is attracting anyone.

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Ghost XFX

Ultimately, however, consoles only serve to be the gateway to computing and eventually playing online. The only reason to stay on a console, is because mommy doesn't want you to have access to the dangerous intranets!

Because porno.

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Peanut Fox

Mommy should listen to the chatter on an average Call of Duty match.

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Enigmatistical

I agree with you and it's also an absurd sentence to read. Mommy doesn't mind her child blowing the world to hell but god forbid they see a boobie.

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DelroyMonjo

Why would I pay $50-$60 for a half-fast console game which is inferior in most every respect to a game leased from Steam which can cost as little as $10 for the same game, and on a device which will also figure my taxes and do spreadsheets and graphs and all other types of video creation?

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Gutter96

Dunno, maybe because you CAN'T BUY those games on Steam?? Show me where I can get Halo, Gears of War, God of War, Uncharted, The Last of Us, Killzone, Destiny, etcetera, etcetera, on the PC. But since I have a console I'm missing out on Portal, Call of Duty, Battlefield, Titanfall, The Walking Dead, Dead Space, Borderlands, Tomb Raider, Mass Effect, Deus Ex... Oh, wait I'M NOT! They are ALL available on the console too! By the way... the PC versions cost the same $50-$60 dollars at launch too. EXCEPT YOU CAN'T SELL THEM, OR TRADE THEM IN WHEN YOU'RE DONE WITH THEM. Try doing that legally with your PC version...

I'm no console elitist, but I'm no PC elitist either! They are ALL great machines when used for their intended purpose. I used to be a hard core PC gamer. But the number and quality of games on the PC has been deminishing for some time. Thankfully, that trend is starting to reverse. Now that both consoles are based on PC hardware, hopefully that means better multi platform releases.

On a side note, the biggest reason I kinda got out of PC gaming was the constant upgrading. Why should I spend $700 on a PC, then have to upgrade the graphics card ($250) to play Titanfall @ 1080p when I can buy an Xbox One and get roughly the same performance for $499? True, it may not be EXACTLY the same but for HALF the cost it's pretty damn close! For the same cost of a decent PC, I can buy BOTH systems, and enjoy the game libraries of BOTH!

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stradric

@Gutter96: C'mon now. The PC certainly has its share of excellent exclusive games. However, the biggest thing it has over this new console gen is backward compatibility.

Comparing dollar for dollar is not exactly straight forward either. For one, the PC can do a lot more than a console so you get more bang for your buck. For two, the PC gaming scene has much better competition, which means better prices. You almost never have to pay full price for games on PC. The competition also translates to cheaper peripheral prices, and some higher quality gear.

In a digital-vs-digital match up, the PC is the clear winner. You can save hundreds of dollars a year through sales on the PC. If you buy 10 games a year and save $20 on each game, that's $1000 over 5 years. That easily pays for the PC and its upgrades. That might mean you have to wait a few months after games release, but most of us have a tremendous backlog anyway.

Console gaming has its perks too. It mostly appeals to people that can't be bothered to learn how to build a PC or just want a plug-and-play experience. And it often gets better support for games (though that trend is waning). It's a streamlined living room experience, and that kind of option will always have some appeal to people.

Overall, consoles have a lower cost of entry, but a higher total cost of ownership. PCs have a high bar for entry, but a lower total cost of ownership.

For me, the #1 reason I'm not buying into this next console gen is the lack of backward compatibility. I spent a lot of money on XBLA games that I still play from time to time. If I can't completely replace my 360 with an Xbone, why would I bother spending the money? The PC has ultimate backward compatibility making investment in that platform the wisest choice.

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captainjack

Happy news for my Saturday!

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Old Man X

The PC has always been an over all better platform. Consoles should be for children that are not old enough to be using a PC yet. Anyone over the age of 12 that thinks a console is better has been mislead by advertisements, and or is just plain stupid.

I had some old work acquaintances that actually believed the X-box 360 was one of the most powerful computers in the world. After loading up the stats of the consoles vs midrange PC's at the time (2012) all of them started asking why the Console manufacturers were ripping people off. I had to tell them the same thing I tell any console fan boy. You were duped by marketing and lies.

With Oculus VR on the verge of release plus all the incredible games that are already available on the PC, there is absolutely no reason to buy a console. It's a waste of money and embarrassing really.

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deucezulu

Insulting much? Everyone has their own preferences whether you agree or not, and those people should not be degraded for it. I have my PC along with my consoles and I am enjoying the overall gaming experience. Show a little tolerance.

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Led Weappelin

Pleasantly surprised in a way. They keep telling us we are dead and to just give in and buy a tablet. But just logging on to Steam and looking at it's stats says it all. And what about non-Steam PC players?

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Chad727

You don't game solely on an iPad? Blasphemy.....

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Renegade Knight

Steam brought me back. However I would have found GOG eventually. At the time though I was a console gamer. I only bought the games that I couldn't get on a console.

Now thanks to steam my console is just a media player. Netflix and DVDs.

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Ghost XFX

Console gaming is all but dead. Sony and MS are losing money in making their consoles, and have admitted as much. They're only barely able to break even each year. I don't see the future in console gaming any longer. Even with AMD giving them a hand.

It should also be of interest that, despite the naysayers foretelling for a decade, that PCs are dead, the PC MASTER RACE has obviously gone Techno Viking up and down the dirty console serfs puny, narrow asses!!!

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LatiosXT

Sony isn't losing money on the PS4. It costs slightly less to make it than the MSRP on it. And they never expected to make money on the consoles, their strategy is software licenses.

Honestly, I seriously doubt console gaming is dead or nearing death. Windows 8 to many feels like a joke, and sure there's the Steam Box, but I feel Valve is just sort of jerking off at the moment. Not to mention the simplicity of a console and the setting where you usually play it is more appealing to a lot of people than a PC. To many people, a PC is sitting at a desk, using a keyboard and mouse. A console is something you play on the couch with a controller. Not to mention, I don't have to worry about specs on a console game. I just slurp it in the drive and away I go. With PC gaming, now I'm worrying about when to upgrade my graphics card, if my processor is up to snuff, etc.

Until the PC can guarantee simplicity of consoles (which is likely never going to happen), there will always be a market for consoles.

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Gutter96

Well said Latios. Sony is breaking even on the PS4 hardware. True, right now there is a dearth of quality games on PS4, but that will change shortly as there are MANY excellent games scheduled for release later this year.

I also wholeheartedly agree with your simplicity argument. I can take ANY game for a console, pop it in and MAYBE have to update it before playing. There's no "Click here to accept the licensing agreement" or "Enter your registration code" or "Would you like to install GameSpy or our super-duper awesome game optimizer 6000?" Then when you FINALLY get it installed, you get to download and install all the patches! Yay! Then when you start the game you get to configure the game! Double yay!

When I bought Infamous: Second Son for PS4 here's how it went. Put in the disc. There was an update, so I installed it. Restarted game after applying the update. Clicked install game. Then clicked play game. I could play WHILE installing it to the hard drive. I have seen NO stuttering, NO tearing, NO lock-ups and NO crashes. I didn't have to look up specs for the game to make sure that I had the guts to play it, I didn't have to update drivers, I just put it in and PLAYED. AND, it looks as awesome as any game I played on my $1300 Haswell PC.

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vrmlbasic

Much of that simplicity is gone with the newer consoles. Having to install games and navigate through ads, "dashboards" and superfluous crap like social networking makes the consoles no longer just about being the most convenient way to game.

Having experienced the PS4, I'd say that Steam is indeed simpler. Despite the really crappy interface that Valve has set up for Steam it is at least as simple as the console. Moreso as there's no physical media involvement (past the install, assuming the game isn't simply downloaded).

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LatiosXT

Game installation is automatic and you can play as you install once it gets the core files up. This is something Steam doesn't even have for anything but Half-Life 2. I've never had to navigate through ads, and Steam also has a bunch of superfluous crap.

And how is having physical medium an inconvenience these days?

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lordfirefox

When it gets lost or stolen, scratched up or you lose the activation key for it.

Don't have that problem with Steam.